Talk:Universal Language Selector/2017


I want to delete British English

This language selector has replaced the languages I selected for displaying Wikidata labels and descriptions -- and those were the languages I used -- with "English", "British English". "French" and "Latina". Why? English, French and Latin are fine for me, but British English is useless, a total waste of space. There is no British English wiki. Why did someone decide I must have those four? I want to get "German" and "Portuguese" alongside "English" and "Latin" and "French". Why can't I do that? Why didn't this system take note of the choices I had already made or of the way I really work?

On the project page I see the words "you can also do a more detailed work for a single country, see for instance: bug T64346bug T141650bug T142070". Maybe I need to do that, but how? Following those links explains nothing.

I also see the words "ULS queries a service that determines your originating country based on your IP address". That doesn't seem to help me: I live in France. No sensible machine would imagine that two forms of English are among the three most important languages in France.

I also see the words "A small popup (technically called "undo popover" or "tipsy") will also appear when ULS changes the language compared to your previous setting". That would be nice, but it seems to be fantasy. Andrew Dalby (talk) 17:57, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

I am not sure why you are seeing those languages in Wikidata. For how to set languages for Wikidata, please see point number 2 in https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:FAQ#General
As for your last comment, the popup only appears when your interface language is changed. That is not the same thing as the set of likely languages provided by ULS. Nikerabbit (talk) 08:50, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
<s>Thanks for replying. I did indeed set my languages, as indicated in your first sentence, and I have been using Wikidata with those language settings for a year or two. Those are the language settings that have now been overruled (for me). My Babel language choice is still correctly set on my user page -- with no mention of "British English" -- but it is being ignored. I naturally connected this annoying change with the fact that, above the box in which selected language labels and descriptions are shown on each Wikidata page, now appears the little word "Configure", which ls linked not to the FAQ page that you mention, or to my userpage, but to this "Universal Language Selector" page, which seems to be a long explanation of why configuring isn't possible for humans any more.
Perhaps I'm reading it wrong. But it is a plain fact that the language setting method that you mention has suddenly stopped working (for me) and that clicking on the new "configure" link brings me here.</s>
OK, but I just ran a test. I now claim on my user page to be a native speaker of all my languages. That would make me a very unusual person, but it has fooled the interface, which has given me back all my languages at the top of each Wikidata page (and British English is now omitted). Amazing! Sorry to have troubled you :) Andrew Dalby (talk) 17:53, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
You confused ULS with selection of label languages and with babel languages (and there is language interface option too)? wargo (talk) 18:19, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
Could be. Andrew Dalby (talk) 19:31, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Compact language links: language list with just the languages that are more relevant to you

Can I use this feaure in Wiktionary, choosing certain languages in a certain order? JMGN (talk) 11:32, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

It's already out of beta in Wiktionary. Perhaps you have disabled it in the preferences. You can re-enable it under the Appearance tab in the preferences. The preference name is "Use a compact language list, with languages relevant to you." Amir E. Aharoni {{🌎🌍🌏}} 11:38, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
I cannot set it right for Wiktionary. Could you please post step-by-step guidelines to configure it as I please? JMGN (talk) 18:32, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
What do you mean by "set it right"? How do you expect it to be, and what do you actually see? Amir E. Aharoni {{🌎🌍🌏}} 06:39, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
Searching for "a", https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/a, currently in the entry the content for 99 languages is unfolded. I'd like to restrict not only the number of languages but the order in wich they appear. JMGN (talk) 07:11, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
First, two questions:
  1. Do you have JavaScript enabled?
  2. In your Preferences, in the Appearance tab, do you have the preference "Use a compact language list, with languages relevant to you." enabled? Amir E. Aharoni {{🌎🌍🌏}} 08:45, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
"Use a compact language list, with languages relevant to you." is enabled.
Regarding Java, do you mean in my browser? JMGN (talk) 09:51, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
I mean JavaScript, not Java. You can check it for example here. If you see "Yes" at the top of the page, then it's enabled. Amir E. Aharoni {{🌎🌍🌏}} 11:26, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for your patience with me. Yes it is. Next step then? JMGN (talk) 11:32, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
Sure, no problem. I want this to work well for everybody.
Can you please tell me which operating system and browser version are you using? Amir E. Aharoni {{🌎🌍🌏}} 11:44, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
W7 home premium
chrome 62.0.3202.75
Yet I'd like to know where to select that "compact language list", and whether I can set a certain order of apperance for those languages. JMGN (talk) 12:14, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
OK, it should work well on this browser, so I wonder why do you see the list as unfolded even though you have the preference enabled.
Can you please turn of the JavaScript console by pressing F12 and check whether you see any error messages there when you open a page, for example https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/a ? Amir E. Aharoni {{🌎🌍🌏}} 12:35, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi, https://0bin.net/paste/OXxfl0Nn78ZMp12T#lxG-othcJ4lRnqt5h6pA6wc+0TPGvwcLTfoBhhO+ZyH JMGN (talk) 10:25, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
Is there any problem with the info. in the snap? JMGN (talk) 07:29, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Strange. Nothing there looks broken. Just harmless warnings.
Can you please do this again, click "Default levels" next to "Filter", and select "Errors"?
Also, can you please go to w:fr:ASCII, and check whether you see the compact list with a "64 de plus" button, or a long list? Amir E. Aharoni {{🌎🌍🌏}} 10:35, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi again.
I can confirm errors is already selected.
Regarding the  "64 de plus", I can indeed select it,
Now, I've realized we can be talking about different issues. I am concerned about the languages offered for a certain entry in the English version of wiktionary. That is, for https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/a, there're 99 languages with the term "a" in their lexicon, all of them explained in the English language (for example, for french, https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/a#Etymology_3_12 the third etymology reads "third-person singular present indicative of avoir".
Yet, you could choose the French interface to see the same info., https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/a#Forme_de_verbe.
Now , I want to limit the languages which show the term that's been searched, not those of the interface offered on the lelft of the page. JMGN (talk) 11:26, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
Oh! Yes, we are talking about different issues :)
Compact Language Links is about the interlanguage links that appear on the sidebar. These are links to corresponding pages in editions of Wiktionary in other languages. This information comes from Wikidata.
You are asking about the page content in the English Wiktionary itself. Currently Universal Language Selector can't be used for this, at least not in a uniform way across all editions of Wiktionary. I agree that it would be a useful feature, but currently it's too complicated to do it. Perhaps developers of local gadgets in the English Wiktionary can address. The good long-term solution is putting lexical data in Wikidata, but that will probably take years. Amir E. Aharoni {{🌎🌍🌏}} 12:38, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Font styling doesn't seem to work

@Amire80: In the "ULS for editors" section, it says you can style text with different fonts, but the example doesn't work. Is that feature completely broken or just that font? Kaldari (talk) 18:25, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

It works at w:en:User:Amire80/Latf. Did you enable webfonts? Click on the gear icon -> Fonts -> Download fonts when needed. Unfortunately it cannot be on by default. Amir E. Aharoni {{🌎🌍🌏}} 19:18, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
Nope, didn't do that! I'll add that to the documentation. Kaldari (talk) 19:44, 18 December 2017 (UTC)