JavaScript glitch in IE8

When editing multi-line paragraphs (or lists, or table cells that are split as one per line), trying to move from one line to its neighboring lines via the arrow keys (up / down) will force the cursor to the first character of the line to which i am moving. The strange thing is that no warning is being raised (as it usually happens for JS bugs), even if i enable script debugging and notifications about every script error. Fwiw, i tested this in IE9 and Safari and it doesn't happen. Is the IE8 userbase small enough to justify ignoring this disfunctionality, or should it be fixed? Jokes_Free4Me (talk) 23:27, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Many MediaWiki features are disabled for IE8, most notable VisualEditor. You can see that some IE8 issues were circumvented in the past. Reporting those you see is always useful, if they can't fixed the feature can be disabled for the faulty browser. Nemo 07:50, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

How to use only input method and disable language selection module

I setup a wiki (http://bn.banglapedia.org) and there i need to use the 'Web Fonts' and 'Input Method' systems. I do not want to use the 'Language Selection' module. Even in the 'Web Fonts' and 'Input Method' i want to show the options for Bengali Language, and option for other language will not be displayed. So is there any way to configure the ULS like this? Nasir Khan Saikat • talk • 06:15, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

No, there isn't. See some previous discussions (including workarounds).

• Talk:Universal Language Selector/2013#c-Larrydberg-2013-10-28T00:05:00.000Z-How_can_I_provide_a_more_focussed_way_of_changing_the_interface_language?
• Extension talk:UniversalLanguageSelector#c-Siebrand-2013-07-08T17:20:00.000Z-Wikimanz-2013-07-07T06:26:00.000Z Nemo 07:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Small language names

Why are the language names sometimes so small? 7.3px according to Firefox inspector on hu.wikt, and "magyar" looks even smaller. Only at the second attempt I looked more carefully and spotted the one familiar word ("italiano") hidden in the dialog, finding out that I wasn't in the wrong place after all.

Nemo 18:19, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

I could reproduce this in Firefox+Monobook theme in https://hu.wiktionary.org

The .button css has font-size: 0.813em

Reported at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65516 Santhosh.thottingal (talk) 03:26, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Santhosh. Nemo 11:56, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Custom fonts now more common than Flash in the web

According to HTTP Archive data in : http://3vavpsbeqbk19ao0rfgkqm17sj.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/BLOG-HTTParchive-May2014-Flash-fonts.png Nemo 08:47, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the link Nemo. Santhosh.thottingal (talk) 09:27, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Add more "Common languages" manually?

Is there a way to always show some languages in "Common languages" block? My wiki has most content in a certain number of languages and some of them are never shown in ULS unless you find them via search. Gleki.arxokuna (talk) 14:38, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Universal_Language_Selector/FAQ#How_does_Universal_Language_Selector_determine_which_languages_I_may_understand may be of help. Nemo 17:57, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Requesting video clip support

Hi, I came across one video clip for ULS help for Telugu language wikipedia as shown below. The clip is usefull but it does not show how to access help page. We will apreciate if some one helps us with simmiller clip for Marathi language.

Mahitgar (talk) 14:59, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

This I have received for Marathi through other user support so closing this request. Rgds Mahitgar (talk) 08:54, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

@Mahitgar: it would be worthwhile sharing your learnings here, as I am sure that other languages would be assisted by the generic process. It may even be worth creating a separate help page so that we can properly document the knowledge you have gained, and find it in a sensible search. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:38, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Info request from event login

Requesting kind Attn: ULS team Amir Aharoni, Niklas Laxstrom, Pau Giner, Santhosh Thottingal & Runa Bhattacharjee

Hi, Seasons Greetings

Ref: Bug 51349 and Extension:UniversalLanguageSelector/EventLogging queries

End of this july at mr-wikipedia we made certain changes to support ULS users with some additional help. On certain counts we found some positive impact. To have better (indepth) understandanding we request you to provide figures again for अक्षरांतरण and मराठी लिपी options of Marathi language ULS for month of August 2014. Or figures prefrably from this week day (or next week day) and again after 30 days.

(But we do not want figures of week ends that is not of saturday or sunday. Preferable any week day from Tuesday to Friday and Indian 'day' time is covered in the same.) Mahitgar (talk) 09:02, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello,

Thanks for bringing this up. Could you let us know the specific type of data you are looking for? The queries may need to be modified based on the requirements. Runa Bhattacharjee (talk) 14:48, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi,

Data I am looking for mr.wikipedia.org i.e. Marathi language wikipedia.

|-

! No.

! ULS option for Marathi

! What it is called in Marathi at ULS

! Data needed 1

! Data needed २

! Data needed 3

! Data needed 4

! Data needed 5

|-

| 1

| mr-transliteration

| अक्षरांतरण

| How many total users enabled mr-transliteration on 28th July 2014 or July 2014

| How many total users enabled mr-transliteration on 1st August 2014

|How many total users enabled mr-transliteration on 31st August 2014 or for the month of August 2014

|How many total users enabled mr-transliteration on 1st Jan 2015 or for the month of Jan 2015

|How many total users enabled mr-transliteration on 28th Feb 2015 or for the month of Feb 2015

|-

| 2

| mr-inscript

| मराठी लिपी

| How many total users enabled mr-inscript 28th July 2014 or July 2014

| How many total users enabled mr-inscript on 1st August 2014

|How many total users enabled mr-inscript on 31st August 2014 or for the month of August 2014

|How many total users enabled mr-inscript on 1st Jan 2015 or for the month of Jan 2015

|How many total users enabled mr-inscript on 28th Feb 2015 or for the month of Feb 2015

|}

Why do we need above data (Purpose) ?

• 1) Why we are expecting Data for the month of August and Jan Feb ?

Visitor hits usually are highest for month of August and Jan Feb for Marathi language Wikipedia both as per wiki stats and also as per google trends stats

• 2) At the end of July 2014 we received an audio-visual clip support for ULS Marathi, using the clip we updated help pages and are running a special campaign for month of August 2014.

So far this campaign has shown excellent results on two fronts percentage of Roman script trial and errors has reduced substantially. Secondly hit ratio shows visit to related help pages per day increased from 1 or 2 to strait away 1000 per day. (We do not know exact figure of total hits for Marathi wikipedia per day but it is roughly estimated in between 3000 to 8000 per day. and 96 to 98 % of them are not likely to know how to do Marathi Typing online/Marathi Wikipedia)

• 3) With this August campaign we have seen stunning increase by 1000 hits a day to Marathi Typing help pages unfortunately we have not seen proportionate increase in newcomer and anon edits so far. There is a need to find out what is the actual percentage of the people enabling ULS feature for Marathi language options. With the ULS eventLogin data provided by you we will get to know whether just people are visiting help pages but practically are not enabling ULS or they are enabling ULS but may be some thing else keeping them away from using the feature, So accordingly we can design question/survey to understand user behaviour better and improve upon our support and help pages.

• 4) In any case we have done preparation for sept 2014 for one more campaign for editing mr-wikipedia. We hope sept 2014 campaign will either give more edits or some insight in to the issue why there had not been proportionate increase in edits but for proper comparison certainly we need eventLogin stats as requested above.

Presently we can see the number of hits to a wiki page on our own same way feature for ULS eventLogin stats visibility on our own will be useful to us. For an example data after september 2014 campaign also will be useful to us same way many time november also gets good traffic to mr wiki. Currently we are dependant on ULS team for stats so we are limiting ourselves to August 2014 and Jan -Feb 2015.

Looking forward to support on August 2014 stats at earliest . Thank you, warm regards and best wishes to ULS team Mahitgar (talk) 05:26, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the details. Very helpful. I am passing the request onto Amir Aharoni for help with the event-logging data. Runa Bhattacharjee (talk) 16:28, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi,

This is a kind reminder. Undersigned is waiting for the requested support with crossed fingures.

Thanks and best wishes Mahitgar (talk) 14:21, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Mahitagar, http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/mr_inputmethods_stats should give the data you requested. Thanks. Santhosh.thottingal (talk) 04:51, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Santhosh, Thanks for your kind support, its very nice of you. These figures are very helpfull. While August 2014 (campaign period) figures signal kind of positive impact can be achieved for detail analysis I will be waiting for some stats figures from other place i.e. http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaMR.htm for how many exact new users got added and there contribution etc.

In Agust 2014 campaign we tried to reach out with ULS inro video clip to aprox 1 lack Marathi people but minimum 30 thousand certainly visited one or the other help page. There are roughly 30 lack active Marathi internet users (6 lack regular or more than average active); roughly 2 to 4 % already know some system of unicode Marathi Typing with this campaign we could reach out to additional 1 percent (of 30 lack) .. So conservative estimate 1 in 30 persons would know Marathi Typing that means for a novice to seek a known person's help currently a freinds freind atleast would know a Marathi Typing method. Our (mr-wiki) target needs to be 1 in 5 i.e. 6 lack people should know ULS it self so contribution to mr-wiki improves. (Hopefully mr-wiki would be able to conduct a improved campaign for feb 2015 season)

Figures provided by you indicate in August 2014 ULS -mr options were activated 4680 times where as activation figure total for July 2014 was 2968 so net increase in activating ULS-mr options was 1712 (around 57% increase over a normal month figure) . 1712 additional activations devided by 30 days will be around 57 per day. If we consider average every user activates ULS 3 times in a day then we can safely assume around 19 new users every day activated ULS-mr since net trial edits are not substantially increased that means immidiate repeating of ULS on further days by same person may not be substantial with conservative estimates around 600 new users might have got aquinted with ULS-mr. ( 600 new users trying on 30,000 visitors to help pages comes to 2% and matches with over all Marathi peoples response rate of 1 in 50 persons usually responds to Marathi Wikipedia campaigns online or of line)

There can be several reasons for absence of net increase in edits out of that one could be what to write syndrome so this september we have already started a campaign. Second is new users may not be aquinted in advance with inscript and learning time requirement curve for inscript is longer. Phonetic and inscript 2 options are not much supported yet still hits are there on them. People may be choosing inscript since its nomenclature in ULS -mr translates to marathi script obiviously people may be activating it and not able to get conversant faster enough. Certainly this aspect needs to be investigated further with more surveys locally. And soon we will be doing that. And try improve support so we get better conversion to edits.

BTW new account creation using Devanagari scripts is increased 4 folds since this August and also with lot of grammer mistakes is a separate issue before us to handel and one more related issue already discussed at hi-wiki community and for that likely to come up with a feature request rfc in couple of weeks.

Thanks any way and warm regards Mahitgar (talk) 06:22, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

List of available fonts?

Is there a simple list of the available fonts, with links to examples, that can be utilised across the WMF wikis? About the only place that I can find anything that resembles a list is at the git repository, and such a list is hidden away, and not particular user friendly. Is such a list possible, and if it more relates to WMF only, should that then be placed at meta, or is it a subpage from the main namespace page, if more generic? Thanks. — billinghurstsDrewth 01:53, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector/WebFonts#Selection_of_fonts has a list of languages and default fonts. But there are more fonts than this that are not mapped to any language because they are special fonts to be applied outside the user preferences. Example: Unifraktur is supposed to be applied to a cetain section of wikisource content irrespective of users preference by specifying the font-family style explicitly. And these fonts are not meant for Mediawiki interface fonts. You are right, a list would be nice so that people can choose them and apply wherever relevant. A bit manual effort based on the git repo is needed. Is this something you can help us? Otherwise I will ask my team to consider doing it. thanks! Santhosh.thottingal (talk) 03:18, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

It was I who raised the WS-related question, and the non-working of the explicit application of the webfonts. Once that issue is resolved, then I can look to assist resolving that component. So the questions that come with that are

1. Can all the fonts be explicitly user-derived with the expressed methodology?
2. Do all the fonts fall under this extension?
3. So would a help page be best here (as a subpage presumably), or at one of the other WMF wikis if there a separate means to add fonts individually per wiki, or for WMF.
4. Is that directory of the repo the only place that contains the fonts, or non-language specific fonts? If not, where are the others located? — billinghurst sDrewth 03:35, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Requesting support for more fonts.

I known it may be the wrong place since most of the target glyph aren't part of any languages, or the languages are dead language. But it make a small issue here. 2A02:8420:508D:CC00:56E6:FCFF:FEDB:2BBA 16:25, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

You can try two things:

• propose a good free font which includes those glyphs, for inclusion in ULS;
• check in the Unicode standards if there is some special language code to which such glyphs could be suitably assigned. Nemo 07:37, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Ok All Those glyph can be displayed with http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/ which are all completely free without any restriction.

is updated regularly as the Unicode Standard evolve.

Again : those glyph aren't part of any live language (like ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphs)... and some aren't part of any language at all.

There is also this which allow to download the desired Unicode ranges from a font instead of the whole font. 2A02:8420:508D:CC00:56E6:FCFF:FEDB:2BBA 01:36, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, that says the font is public domain. You can ask the font to be included for the languages with a language code, to start with. Then we can think what to do about the non-linguistic symbols... Nemo 20:31, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Some of the target languages are present on single font, but there's nothing in iso 639 for that. It would be easier to maintain since those fonts are updated/improved monthly. While it is an issue to load several languages at time on all pages, there won't be real problems, as the whole font weigh 1.6Mo in an HTTP request. It doesn't include non-linguistic symbols, Symbola would still be used separately.

I'm still suggesting "myn"; "egy"; "hlu"; "ssa"; "akk"; "aii"; and grc-dor since there's no standard for Doric Greek. 2A02:8420:508D:CC00:56E6:FCFF:FEDB:2BBA 18:42, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Please allow us to disable this in preferences

I am severely annoyed by this feature. It doesn't let me quickly see which languages a page is available in. The popup boxes for choosing a language and for the settings are way too big with way too much whitespace, making it inefficient to access information. But probably the most annoying part is that in the languages popup box, languages are not middle-clickable, meaning I can no longer browse through the languages and middle-click all the ones I want. In my mind, it would be a much better design to simply hide and show the languages within the sidebar itself and have them all function as ordinary links like they used to be. But if you can't do that, at least let us disable this in preferences so that we can just go back to seeing the full list of languages on the sidebar. Wikitiki89 (talk) 02:41, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi, You are referring to the compact inter language links beta feature which shortens the list of languags in the sidebar. This feature is a beta feature and by default it is not enabled. If you had enabled and did not like the feature, you can disable by going to Preferences->Beta section. For example, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures

The language dialogue shown after clicking on ... button in the interlanguage links allows you to middle click. You can open it in new tab or hovering the link shows where it will take you.

Thanks. Santhosh.thottingal (talk) 03:28, 13 November 2014 (UTC)