Category:Alberca

Note that per consensus below, this will be moved to Category:Albercas.

I've given one parent ot this previously parentless category, and connected it to a Wikidata item, but it needs more work. (1) If this category is to be kept more or less as it is, then the name should certainly be pluralized. (2) I realize that this category reflects a particular word in Spanish, but it seems to me to be a conflation of different topics that deserve (and may have) their own Wikidata items and Commons categories. For example, we already have Category:Ornamental pools. While my Spanish is decent, it's not quite on a level to tease out the subtleties here, and I need some help from native Spanish-speakers.

Yo añadí una categoría superior a esta categoría que antes era huérfana, y lo conecté a un elemento de Wikidata, pero necesita más trabajo. (1) Si esta categoría se va a mantener más o menos como está, entonces el nombre debería ciertamente pluralizarse. (2) Me doy cuenta de que la categoría está relacionado con una palabra específica en español, pero me parece una combinación de diferentes temas que merecen (y tal vez ya tienen) sus propios elementos de Wikidata y categorías de Commons. Por ejemplo, ya tenemos Category:Ornamental pools (piscinas ornamentales). Si bien mi español es decente, no está en un nivel suficiente para descubrir las sutilezas aquí y necesito la ayuda de unos hispanohablantes nativos. Jmabel ! talk 05:11, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Buenos días, JMabel. Gracias por tu escrito sobre la categoría «Alberca». 1) Estoy de acuerdo en que debe pluralizar a «Albercas». 2) Creo que esta categoría debe mantenerse. Efectivamente, el concepto de alberca tiene sus matices. No es un estanque ornamental, sino que tiene una finalidad utilitaria: «depósito artificial de agua, con muros de fábrica, para el riego» (Diccionario de la Real Academia de la Lengua Española). La palabra en español nace del árabe hispánico albírka ya que fueron los árabes los que introdujeron en España este sistema de riego. Como puedes ver en la entrada Alberca de Wikipedia en español, «lo que caracteriza a este tipo de estanques es el uso intensivo de este tipo de recurso técnico para el regadío, como elemento de la red de acequias, lo que da relevancia al modelo de alberca andalusí» y, por extensión, española que las adoptó para muchas otras zonas de la península, lo que atestiguan además algunos topónimos (La Alberca de Záncara en Cuenca, La Alberca de las Torres en Murcia y La Alberca en Salamanca, por poner tres ejemplos). En algunas circunstancias, como en el caso de La Alhambra de Granada, algunas albercas usadas para el riego de los jardines reales, se diseñaron también con una visión ornamental, dado que formaban y forman parte del conjunto monumental. En el Generalife, también en Granada, está la zona arqueológica que incluye la Alberca Rota, que proporcionaba agua a los palacios de los alrededores.

Espero que te haya servido esta explicación. Saludos. MottaW.

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Good morning, JMabel. Thank you for your writing about the "Alberca" category. 1) I agree that it should be pluralized into "Albercas". 2) I think this category should be maintained. Indeed, the concept of a alberca has its nuances. It is not an ornamental pool, but rather has a utilitarian purpose: "artificial water reservoir, with factory walls, for irrigation" (Dictionary of the Royal Academy of the Spanish Language). The word in Spanish comes from the Hispanic Arabic albírka since it was the Arabs who brought this irrigation system to Spain. As you can see in the Alberca entry on Wikipedia in Spanish, «what characterizes this type of pond is the intensive use of this type of technical resource for irrigation, as an element of the network of irrigation ditches, which gives relevance to the irrigation model, the "andalusian alberca" and, by extension, a Spanish "alberca" that adopted it for many other areas of the peninsula, which is also attested to by some place names (La Alberca de Záncara in Cuenca, La Alberca de las Torres in Murcia and La Alberca in Salamanca, to name three examples). In some circumstances, as in the case of the Alhambra in Granada, some pools used to irrigate the royal gardens were also designed with an ornamental vision, given that they were and are part of the monumental complex. In the Generalife, also in Granada, is the archaeological zone that includes the Alberca Rota, which provided water to the surrounding palaces. I hope this explanation has been useful to you. Greetings. MottaW (talk) 11:54, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• @MottaW: 'muros de fábrica => "fabricated walls", not "factory walls" (los muros de una fábrica). Otherwise, that makes sense. So we would exclude pools that were strictly ornamental: the irrigation purpose is essential.

'muros de fábrica => "fabricated walls", no "factory walls" (los muros de una fábrica). Aparte de eso, eso tiene sentido. Por lo que excluiríamos las piscinas que fueran estrictamente ornamentales: ser para fines de riego es fundamental. - Jmabel ! talk 19:45, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

@JmabelMe alegro de que estés de acuerdo y gracias por tu aclaración sobre los 'muros de fábrica.

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I'm glad you agree and thank you for your clarification regarding the 'muros de fábrica'. MottaW (talk) 21:52, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

I realize this is a quick close, but since we have a consensus between the only two of us who have ever edited (or, I believe, used) this category, I don't see a reason to wait longer. Keep as Category:Albercas, with explanatory notes in Spanish and English. - Jmabel ! talk 03:58, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Grande terrasse panoramique

too small fragmentation -> delete Herzi Pinki (talk) 10:13, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 09:56, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Mere Hall, Woicestershire

Category for deletion. Created by me with spelling mistake. Implausible redirect Malcolma (talk) 10:23, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

•  Speedy delete, Tagged with {{Bad name}}. Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:45, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 14:55, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Plants in Margarita

Propose upmerge to Category:Botanical garden Margarita. Jmabel ! talk 05:24, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, please. It's a good idea. Peter Chadzidocev (talk) 18:18, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Upmerged. - Jmabel ! talk 19:00, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Volcanism of Washington (state) in 2022

Why does this exist distinct from Category:Volcanoes in Washington (state) in 2022? That category is its only member, and this category is parentless. Jmabel ! talk 22:39, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

I have no idea. It needs to go.Chris Light (talk) 05:29, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Given that Chris Light, who created the category, agrees that it serves no purpose, I don't see any reason to keep this open any longer. Deleting. - Jmabel ! talk 05:48, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Sovereign countries v. constituent countries

There are three countries in particular which consist of constituent countries within them. This has caused some confusion when matched up against how countries are categorized, so some clarification would be good. Josh (talk) 09:24, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Here is a brief chart of the three and their components:

Questions to address, in no particular order:

• Should any or all of the listed constituents be treated the same as sovereign countries are (i.e. treat them the same as Germany, China, and the United States)?
  • If yes, how should we treat them in cases where they would coexist with their respective parent sovereign country (i.e. should "Denmark" and "Kingdom of Denmark" both appear parallel in a 'by country' index?)
• Should any or all of the listed constituents be treated as top-level sub-divisions of sovereign countries are (i.e. treat them the same as Bavaria, Inner Mongolia, and Massachusetts)?
  • If yes, for topics on them, should a topic category exist as a parent category them for the sovereign country (i.e. if there is candy bars of Denmark, there should be a parent candy bars of the Kingdom of Denmark)
• Should perhaps any of the sovereign countries listed not be treated as sovereign countries are, but instead as some king of super-national entity (i.e. EU or such)?
• Are the names correct for them all? (particularly Denmark and Netherlands)

Some complications that have led to this discussion:

• In the case of Denmark and the Netherlands, the constituent country categories have often been used as the de facto main cat for the sovereign category, as in many cases the vast majority of media will be for the constituent country and only small amounts come from the other constituents of the kingdom. This leads to it not always being clear whether a category titled 'Denmark' is really specific to Denmark itself, or really covers the whole Kingdom of Denmark.
• This often leads to having one of two situations, neither one particularly satisfactory:
  1. Having a category for the sovereign country level (e.g. candy bars of the Kingdom of Denmark) with only one sub-cat (candy bars of Denmark) because all of the pictures we have happen to have are indeed specific to Denmark. This makes the parent category seem somewhat redundant and prone to attract deletion efforts.
  2. Having only a category for the constituent country level (e.g. candy bars of Denmark but it including a few candy bars from Greenland, because the solitary existence of the 'Denmark' category intimates it stands for all of the Kingdom. Afterall, most countries do not have their full long form name as their category name, so unless you know to expect it, it is a fair assumption for a user to make.
• The second condition also means that at different levels, the names 'Denmark' and 'Kingdom of Denmark' get co-mingled and essentially mean different things, which is a gross violation of the Universality Principle.
• Not categorizing the constituents as "countries" can at times raise the ire of those who feel that not categorizing them as such is somehow demoting or otherwise denigrating their country of pride. This may be a misunderstanding of the role of category naming conventions, but it none-the-less does happen, as I have seen a few such exchanges over time.

There is more detail, but I wanted to get the ball rolling and give folks a chance to weigh in on this issue. Josh (talk) 10:09, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Unknown 18th century church in Drenthe

Empty category. Files have been relocated to Category:Nederlands Hervormde Kerk Roosendaal Ellywa (talk) 11:33, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much. As the formerly wrong categorized and then displaced photos have been categorized to their proper building, this provisional category should be deleted.--Ulamm (talk) 11:43, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Deleted. Please remember: we don't really need a CfD for an empty category, just mark it with {{SD|C2}} for speedy deletion. - 21:41, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Collages by D. Alistair-Years

Empty and unneeded. I created this and have no use for it anymore, so I would like this taken down. MonkeyStolen234 (talk) 14:09, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

@MonkeyStolen234: You could tag it with {{Empty page}}. -- Auntof6 (talk) 12:28, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Deleted. @MonkeyStolen234: Please remember: we don't really need a CfD for an empty category, especially if you've been the only one using it. Just mark it with {{SD|C2}} for speedy deletion. - Jmabel ! talk 21:44, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:King Carl X Gustav family grave

I am not sure how this differs in intent from Category:Interior of Karolinska gravkoret, and since it has no parent categories it is pretty much impossible to guess. Either this needs to be have some parent cats moved up here from its two subcats or (more likely) it should simply be deleted. Jmabel ! talk 03:06, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

I replied to this earlier today but that seems to have failed to post.

"Category:Interior of Karolinska gravkoret" is a somewhat confusing architectural category (with a Swedish name) and can justifiably be considered to include only the floor-level area of a grave chapel added to this church, with the 3 sarcophagi located there, but not the many coffins in the vault under the chapel. "Category:King Carl X Gustav family grave" was a helpful category (in English) for years, which included all the individual graves of Carl X Gustav and his descendants and family, floor-level and downstairs. It was recently gutted for no good reason and should be restored in full. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 00:05, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

@SergeWoodzing: would you be willing to take this on? I'd trust you to work it out, and I'd withdraw the CfD. - Jmabel ! talk 00:14, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Will do. No time right now however. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 11:09, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done, but pls also see my talk re sloppy work I do not know how to fix fast! --SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:29, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Closing, trusting SergeWoodzing to sort it out. - Jmabel ! talk 19:13, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Electronic music groups from Greek

empty cat; delete Prototyperspective (talk) 12:33, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, please delete. That was a misspeller, I created the correct category "Electronic music groups from Greece" instead. --S. Bollmann (talk) 13:22, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Deleting. @Prototyperspective and S. Bollmann: if a category is empty and badly named, you can just mark it for speedy deletion with {{SD|C1}}. No need for a CfD. - Jmabel ! talk 22:03, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Photos of Badagry Social Media Awards (BSMA)

Is there any reason this category isn't simply named, Category:Badagry Social Media Awards? Jmabel ! talk 05:20, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Don't know if there's a reason, but we don't need the abbreviation in the title. -- Auntof6 (talk) 18:50, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Given only one response in 20 days, I'm going to remove "(BSMA)". - Jmabel ! talk 21:15, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Absolutely humongous file

I personally think this category should just be deleted, but if not it should become a redirect to the longstanding Category:Large images, to which images are normally added to this category by adding {{LargeImage}} to their image page. Jmabel ! talk 23:39, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

• Go ahead and delete, excuse the comic effort. thanks--Don (talk) 00:00, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Please do understand that a "comic effort" like this ends up eating about 15 minutes of an administrators time by the time we go through the whole process of analyzing the situation, trying to be polite in how we describe it, creating a CfD, etc. Yes, I get the joke. No, creation of categories is really not the place for making jokes. - Jmabel ! talk 02:55, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Close as speedy delete. - Jmabel ! talk 02:56, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:May 2017 in Waverley Municipal Council

We have no other categories specific to Waverly Municipal Council for a single month. Surely we don't need this one. Jmabel ! talk 00:07, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

• Keep we do actually have a whole series of months and years for Waverly Municipal Council. For example, we have Category:January 2017 in Waverley Municipal Council. Category:August 2017 in Waverley Municipal Council also has a single month. This is part of a category series, it is structured month, year in Waverley Municipal Council. This is part of a broad category structure which is done by Sydney LGA. There is a template we use for the series. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 01:11, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
  • OK. I'm fine with it then, especially since you fixed the template. - Jmabel ! talk 01:28, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Speedy keep now that it's been fixed. - Jmabel ! talk 01:28, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Ría de Ribadeo

At the very least, the description here needs to change, and we ought not have 14 files in a parentless category (or, really, any files in a parentless category). As for the text, it is not acceptable for one user to accuse another of vandalism as part of the public-facing text of a topical category. Beyond that, I have no opinion how the conflict here between this and its subcat Category:Ría_de Eo, which I believe refers to exactly the same entity, is sorted out. Jmabel ! talk 02:41, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello. Geographically speaking they are the same thing and the "ria" can be called by either name, both are official names. However, the only name for the designated "Speacial Area of Conservation" -as far as I know- is "Ría del Eo". Happy to stand corrected if I'm wrong. Regards, tyk (talk) 09:13, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello. As you can see, one of the files included in this category is File:Ría de Ribadeo resolución do Ministerio de Fomento.jpg, which shows the official name of the ría from 2008. Today -2023-, as you can see from File:Resolución del Ministerio de Transportes - 24 de Mayo de 2022.pdf, also in this category, both denominations, Ría de Ribadeo and Ría del Eo, are admitted, in a controversial decision that was appealed to the court, and without resolution today. Also, you can see in File:Admiralty Chart No 78 Plans on the North Coast of Spain, Published 1930.jpg, categorized in the subcategory Ría del Eo, The British Admiraliy, as ins common in Marine Charts, use 'Ría de Ribadeo'. And in File:Ria de Ribadeu no atlas de Pedro Teixeira (1634).jpg, we can see in the description, also 'Ría de Ribadeo'. Also, in the 'Ria del Eo' subcategory, it shows a description as the name to a zone of conservation of nature, which is not compatible with the subcategories 'Ponte dos Santos' (a bridge) and 'Porto deportivo de Ribadeo' (a harbour). So, I think both subcategories should be attached directly to the category 'Ría de Ribadeo', maintaining the subcategory 'Ría del Eo' to the natural conservation zone. I regret the accusation of vandalism in the face of a topical category, that can be changed. But Is also right that the category of 'Ría del Eo' was promoted for a lot of pictures off the official protection zone -for instance in 2015- when the official name was 'Ría de Ribadeo'.--user talk:Agremon 11:10, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Pinging @Tyk, Agremon if the two of you can come to consensus, I'm fine with whatever you come up with. Please do consider that it may be useful to indicate parenthetically in the category name the nature of what is covered (e.g. "(conservation area)") and that it is almost certainly desirable to have descriptions at least in English and Spanish indicating multiple names for anything that has multiple names. Also, nothing here should be left as an orphan category.

It would be very helpful if one of you could make a concrete proposal. - Jmabel ! talk 19:08, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm fine with either option too so I leave the matter on Agremon hands. Regards, tyk (talk) 09:32, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, both. I think that be outlined some as so:

1. Change of the comment over vandalism by substitution with 'Ría of the NW of Spain, over Cantabric Sea. Official name today in court with possible change to Ría de Ribadeo / Ría del Eo'.

2. Change Ría del Eo to ZEC Ría del Eo (so, Zona de Especial Conservación)

3. Attach subcategories to Ría de Ribadeo.

4. Revision of the categorization of the files in both categories.

What is your opinion?--user talk:Agremon 10:22, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

@Agremon: Sounds fine to me as long as also Category:Ría de Ribadeo gets appropriate parent categories. Will you take responsibility for following up? And, User:Tyk, will you take responsibility to check it all when it's done, so I don't have to circle back to this? Thanks. - Jmabel ! talk 18:37, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Ok for me. Tomorrow, if answer of Tyk is positive, I will go with. user talk:Agremon 20:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Totally fine. Regards, tyk (talk) 11:12, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

I've worked on, but Category:Ría del Eo shoud be created after change of category of the pictures and creation o Category:ZEC Ría del Eo. user talk:Agremon 16:43, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Looks like we have enough to move forward with that this doesn't require further handling as a CfD. - Jmabel ! talk 20:13, 10 December 2023 (UTC) OK!--user talk:Agremon 13:39, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Viciebsk photographs taken on 2010-05-03

Delete and upmerge. We don't normally break down Viciebsk photographs to a single day, and there is no reason to do so for a date with a single photograph. Just makes users click through an extra time. Jmabel ! talk 04:46, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Agree. Rudolphous (talk) 06:17, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done Rudolphous (talk) 12:43, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Deleted & upmerged. - Jmabel ! talk 19:11, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Viciebsk photographs taken on 2011-09-21

Delete and upmerge. We don't normally break down Viciebsk photographs to a single day, and there is no reason to do so for a date with a single photograph. Just makes users click through an extra time. Jmabel ! talk 04:46, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Agree. Rudolphous (talk) 06:16, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done Rudolphous (talk) 12:42, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Deleted & upmerged. - Jmabel ! talk 19:10, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Settlements

What is the real difference between Settlements and other Populated places? Are there any populated places that are not settlements? Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 08:43, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

If Populated places were defined as "place[s] of any size, in which people live" (from Wikidata) and Settlements were defined as "place[s] with a permanent human population", then the current category structure would make sense. However, we often talk about "temporary settlements", which makes the distinction doubtful. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 08:58, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Since there are no response for two weeks, I'm closing the discussion and my proposal will be implemented. --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 03:25, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Wikimedia South Sudan Learning Lab

The content of this page is completely inappropriate to category space. I suggest (1) moving this to Commons:Wikimedia South Sudan Learning Lab or some similar location (possibly even on Meta rather than Commons: I don't see much related to Commons here); (2) creating a proper category page, with parent categories, at this location for the three files that are categorized here. Jmabel ! talk 03:44, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks alot for your feedback, here i created it as a category, since I would be uploading our meetings and posters, I was thinking maybe having a category could help my members easily find the videos and photos later, i also appreciate any help where necessary Lomoraronald (talk) Lomoraronald (talk) 10:22, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

@Lomoraronald: would my suggestion be OK? If so, would you rather have the page with the bulk of the text end up on Commons or on Meta? - Jmabel ! talk 20:05, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

yeah that would be amazing, but would I still keep the category or it will be deleted, maybe i will keep our user group category then, for all the content here, of the wiki learning lab i will add them under our user group! that would be great too. Lomoraronald (talk) Lomoraronald (talk) 04:56, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Given the lack of answer to my question, I'll put the page here on Commons. You can always move it to Meta in the future. And I'll leave a proper category behind. - Jmabel ! talk 06:21, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Advance Detective Agency

This is (1) promotional (speedy deletion G10) and (2) not a category. Danbloch (talk) 16:48, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: deleted. --Minorax^«¦talk¦» 14:48, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Hauts-de-France photographs taken on 2021-10-09

Also Category:Hauts-de-France photographs taken on 2023-12-07, Category:Hauts-de-France photographs taken on 2023-09-04. There are exactly three such daily categories for Hauts-de-France, each containing a single photo, each with no parent category, two of them invoking a nonexistent template. Normally we don't make "by day" categories any more local than a country (except for things like the individual days of a multi-day event). I say delete these cats and place the photos in the corresponding "France photographs" categories, if they are not already there. Jmabel ! talk 03:23, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Most definitely, and unfortunately there is a large amount of misuse of the template to make local level "... taken on ..." categories. Definitely some value in updating guidance to stop the generation of such granular, low level categories.  — billinghurst sDrewth 04:14, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

I believe no templates were involved in this (except the invocation of a nonexistent template). - Jmabel ! talk 06:18, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

@ Jmabel Thank you for your rating,  Done I deleted the impacted categories, best regards--Pierre André ^(talk) 09:17, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Seems like a clear consensus to delete. - Jmabel ! talk 19:47, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Bordes scenes

Category:Huis ten Bosch bordesscène already exists Dajasj (talk) 18:25, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

See Category talk:Huis ten Bosch bordesscène for other opinions. JopkeB (talk) 05:22, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Per the discussion over there, this category does not need to be removed any more. Dajasj (talk) 10:26, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

This category discussion has been closed.
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Category:Seward Park, Seattle, Washington

In literally every other case where a Seattle park and a neighborhood share a name, the neighborhood category has the form Category:FOO Park, Seattle, Washington. Here, uniquely, the category of that form is a disambiguation. I see no reason this should be handled differently than all other parallel cases. Jmabel ! talk 19:43, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

I moved the category and created the disambiguation page because I had to categorize images of the park. With cat-a-lot it was unclear where the images should go. The previous categorization requires contributors to have knowledge of the confusing (IMO) format, while it is now clear what is the park and what is the neighborhood.

At the same time I am not expecting that I will spend a lot of time in Seattle-related categories and am ok to revert. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 21:05, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

I believe that the current naming system for neighborhoods and parks in Seattle does not follow the Selectivity Principle of Commons:Categories: "The category name should be unambiguous and not homonymous."

Here is the current state of categories and parks in Seattle:

Neighborhood	Park
Category:Madison Park, Seattle, Washington	Category:Madison Park (Seattle, Washington)‎
Category:Seward Park (neighborhood)	Category:Seward Park

As shown by the Madison Park example, the category name is ambiguous. In my opinion it's worth it to make an exception for these 2 cases and rename Madison Park to a pattern similar to the move I've done for Seward Park. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 15:55, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I asked Another Believer (creator of Category:Madison Park (Seattle, Washington)) and Mackensen (creator of Category:Neighborhoods in Seattle) for feedback. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 16:16, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

When there are two closely related categories with similar names (like a neighborhood and a park it is named after), we normally use {{See also cat}} or {{Distinguish}}. Category:Seward Park (and for that matter Category:Madison Park) should probably become disambiguations, but I still don't see a good reason to break the pattern of naming Seattle neighborhoods. (The park itself can to at Category:Seward Park (Seattle park).) - Jmabel ! talk 19:10, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

If something has "Park" in its name, then most people are going to assume that it's a park, not a neighborhood. Which is why I elected to go for Category:Seward Park (neighborhood) over Category:Seward Park (Seattle park). Cryptic-waveform (talk) 19:30, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

There are a few miscategorized images in Category:Seward Park (neighborhood) which further supports my opinion. The beauty of matching names should not prevail over descriptive names which allow for easy and correct categorization. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 19:44, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I fail to see how it supports your point. Could you clarify? It seems to me that "Seward Park (neighborhood)" is liable to attract wildly miscategorized images from New York or Chicago, rather than mildly miscategorized images from the part proper, up one level from their ideal category. - Jmabel ! talk 22:44, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

You do see my point since you recognize that images of the park are miscategorized in the neighborhood category. Is there a neighborhood called Seward Park in New York or Chicago? My research shows me that it's not the case. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 23:57, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

• I'm honestly not sure how much "Seward Park" in NYC gets used for the area surrounding the park. That doesn't tend to be done much in Manhattan, except for Gramercy Park. There's a " Seward Park Extension Urban Renewal Area" (), a Seward Park Library (), a Seward Park Cooperative (), and even a ([Seward Park Campus]), but I think those are just near the park and individually named after it, rather than anyone calling the neighborhood that. For Chicago, I think not even that. - Jmabel ! talk 02:36, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

In any case I see your point that Category:Seward Park should probably be renamed to make it clear that this is Seward Park in Seattle. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 03:11, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Neighborhood	Park	Disambiguation (& not just Seattle)
Category:Madison Park, Seattle, Washington	Category:Madison Park (Seattle park)‎	Category:Madison Park
Category:Seward Park, Seattle, Washington	Category:Seward Park (Seattle park)‎	Category:Seward Park

Is that acceptable? - Jmabel ! talk 04:05, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

White I still believe that having neighborhood in the title is better, I think your solution is OK and will decrease miscategorization. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 13:41, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Let me know if you want to make the changes. Otherwise I can make them. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 13:42, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

I'll do it.

Looks like we have agreement (the last chart here); I'll go ahead with this. - Jmabel ! talk 19:47, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Royaume du Kimeto

This appears to be an entirely fictional kingdom. Unless someone has a solid citation for this, the category should simply be deleted. Jmabel ! talk 06:26, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

This is now an empty category, so I think it can be deleted. And I agree that Commons is no place for fictional kingdoms. JopkeB (talk) 15:27, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Now empty, so deleting on that basis. - Jmabel ! talk 19:20, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:Services (economics)

What is the difference between Category:Services (economics) and Category:Services in/for Commons? Can both have descriptions telling what should be in the one and what in the other? OR can they be merged? JopkeB (talk) 08:18, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@JopkeB: Are you ready to sincerely discuss on this theme ? You always request explanation but you always not respond to it. In my eyes, my sincere efforts to reply with your requests look like a waste. --Clusternote (talk) 09:16, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@JopkeB: You should reply yes or no on above my question on this page. Please do not refute my above question on my talk page. --Clusternote (talk) 23:56, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Clusternote&diff=prev&oldid=830174114

:On Commons:Categories for discussion/2023/12/Category:Services (economics) you accused me of not sincerely discuss on themes. What do you mean? I always intend to sincerely discuss themes that I started. And I do appreciate every contribution to them, even when I disagree. I am not aware of any harm. Could you please give examples? JopkeB (talk) 15:03, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

It looks like this is a personal matter and I hope it has nothing to do with the discussion about this category, that is why I answered on your talk page. Other people should be able to comment on my question about this category without the baggage of personal disputes. --JopkeB (talk) 05:40, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Since there was no substantive response for over a month, my proposal is:

1. Merge Category:Services (economics) into Category:Services.
2. Make a redirect for Category:Services (economics) to Category:Services.
3. Make sure the correct Wikidata item is in Category:Services.

If there are no reactions, I'll implement this proposal in a month. --JopkeB (talk) 06:01, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

This category discussion has been closed.
Consensus	Resolved without objection
Actions	Merge Category:Services (economics) into Category:Services. Make a redirect for Category:Services (economics) to Category:Services. Make sure the correct Wikidata item is in Category:Services.  Done
Participants	Clusternote (talk · contribs)
Closed by	JopkeB (talk) 06:36, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Social and solidarity economy

What would be a good description for this category? What should be in it and what not? If the definition of UN gives such a descriptioni, why are there no subcategories for environmental objectives here? Even more important: what is the added value of this category on Commons? (My preferation:) Can this category be deleted because the subcategories can very well exists without it? JopkeB (talk) 10:47, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

See also: Commons:Categories#Selectivity_principle, which says: "There should be one category per topic; multi-subject categories should be avoided." In my opinion this is such a multi-subject category. JopkeB (talk) 10:53, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

This category discussion has been closed.
Consensus	Resolved without objection
Actions	Move the subcategories and file to correct parents (or just remove them from this category if they allready have) and make a redirect to Category:Social economy.
Participants
Closed by	JopkeB (talk) 05:05, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:Jackie Traverse

Empty category CzarJobKhaya (talk) 06:37, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Tagged as empty to get it deleted. -- Auntof6 (talk) 18:55, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deleted by Túrelio. -- CptViraj (talk) 13:57, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:Trade embargos

What is the difference between Category:Trade embargos and Category:Embargoes? Can both have clear descriptions showing the differences (and can the spelling of "embargos"/"embargoes" become the same in both) OR can both categories be merged? JopkeB (talk) 07:53, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

A good question. In German, both terms exist side by side, but probably mean the same thing. Could the category simply be called "embargo"? -- Kürschner (talk) 08:07, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Kürschner, for your reaction. I like the idea of merging. About the name "embargo": category names in Commons should be in plural. According to wikt:embargo embargos as well as embargoes are allowed, we just have to choose. Since EN-WP uses "Embargoes" I propose to do that in Commons as well. Do you agree? JopkeB (talk) 15:38, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Hallo, JopkeB, fine, thank you! -- Kürschner (talk) 15:58, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

This category discussion has been closed.
Consensus	Resolved without objection
Actions	Merge Category:Trade embargos into Category:Embargoes and give it a redirect.  Done
Participants	Kürschner (talk · contribs)
Closed by	JopkeB (talk) 03:40, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:Value Added

What is this category about? The images in this category seem not to match the descriptions in both the Wikidata item and the Wikipedias. JopkeB (talk) 10:14, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Since there were no reactions for over a month, my proposal is:

1. Move all the files to better categories, or remove this category from those which already have good ones.
2. Delete this category.

If there are no reactions, I'll implement this proposal in a month. JopkeB (talk) 04:54, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

This category discussion has been closed.
Consensus	Resolved by consensus
Actions	(1) Move the files to better categories, or remove this category from those which already have good ones. (2) Ask for deletion for this category.
Participants
Notes	Kept. It turns out that: Some files were categorized here while they should not be, others were correctly categorized. So I moved the wrongly categorized files and kept the category. The wrong Wikidata item was linked here. So I changed the Wikidata item. There were no subcategories, while at least two should be. So I added them
Closed by	JopkeB (talk) 10:16, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Néo-rétro

Can this category get a redirect to Category:Retro style? OR: How is this category different from Category:Retro style? Can it have a good description showing the differences? JopkeB (talk) 10:21, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

This category discussion has been closed.
Consensus	Resolved without objection
Actions	Merge Category:Néo-rétro into Category:Retro style and give it a redirect
Participants
Closed by	JopkeB (talk) 04:44, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:Coitus interruptus

Debbie DoesDallas 5.125.10.113 08:12, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Closing -- no rationale given for discussion. --Auntof6 (talk) 18:58, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Ameti (text)

emptied (File:Tallinna Keskkonnaameti struktuur.jpg). Redundant cat Estopedist1 (talk) 08:51, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Deleted. @Estopedist1: a simple category like this, when empty, can be speedied with {{SD|C2}}; the "C2" comes from Commons:Criteria for speedy deletion. No need for a CfD. - Jmabel ! talk 19:41, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Von blankenfeld

What is this category supposed to represent? Just "von Blankenfeld" as a surname, or something more specific? With no parent categories, it is impossible to tell. Jmabel ! talk 08:23, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Bonjour Jmabel

C'est un nom de famille qui date de 1474 Blankenfeld (talk) 09:53, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@Blankenfeld: so it should presumably be moved to Category:Von Blankenfeld (surname). - Jmabel ! talk 19:21, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

oui Blankenfeld (talk) 19:55, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Moving to Category:Von Blankenfeld (surname). - Jmabel ! talk 21:48, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Roman theatre building and podium, Side

This had no parent categories, so I added Category:Side ruins. I assume this category should somehow be related to the longstanding Category:Roman theatre (Side). Should it just be merged? Or is there some distinction? Jmabel ! talk 06:03, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello JMabel,

Thanks for informing me about what happened. I always check the history of problematic categories, and in this case soon found that I created the category on May 18 in 2022, immediately adding it to the category Roman theatre (Side). Then it was quiet for over a year until on December 2 2023 a Bene66 for reasons I don’t know deleted that category. For as far as I could find this person has registered on 2012-07-01, seems to be German (1323 of his 1341 edits are in the German Wikipedia) and seems to have made one edit, this year. The edit left the category without a parent, and adding it to Side ruins is an improvement, but I myself just returned it to its original spot.

I don’t have a clue why some people make some changes (most of them worsen my original plan). You can see I have very many pictures of the theatre, and from the moment I published them I organised them in sub-categories to help people know what is where. Then people like Bened66 come along and do their dismal thing. You being an administrator, could you close the discussion? I do not think Bened66 will inform us about his actions. Dosseman (talk) 10:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@Dosseman: I'll do that, but please do add to the category description so that people other than yourself can understand, for a given photo, whether it belongs here or directly in Category:Roman theatre (Side). - Jmabel ! talk 19:34, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Closed. Looks like I was right to restore the status quo ante, but the category could definitely use a better description. - Jmabel ! talk 19:36, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Club Deportivo Garcilaso

Category:Club Deportivo Garcilaso and Category:Deportivo Garcilaso certainly should be merged (taking the description from the former, and the {{Wikidata Infobox}} from the latter. Any opinions on which name is to be preferred? Jmabel ! talk 05:59, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Me siento, no pensé en cual idioma debo usar. Claro que los dos categorís se merecen unir, con la descripción de Category:Club Deportivo Garcilaso el el {{Wikidata Infobox}} de Category:Deportivo Garcilaso, pero hay opiniones sobre cual nombre preferimos? - Jmabel ! talk 06:04, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

ok. Chalisimo5 (talk) 13:39, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@Chalisimo5: pero, ¿cual nombre? - Jmabel ! talk 18:44, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Yo lo pondría como Club Deportivo Garcilaso que es el nombre más completo según las referencias de su página en es:wiki Chalisimo5 (talk) 21:09, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Concuerdo, Segun los datos de la institución deportiva su nombre oficial es "Club Deportivo Garcilaso" y su nombre coloquial como lo conocen las personas sobre todo del Cusco es "Deportivo Garcilaso" Ordzonhyd Rudyard Tarco Palomino (talk) 14:30, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

We will merge Category:Deportivo Garcilaso to Category:Club Deportivo Garcilaso. - Jmabel ! talk 20:21, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Wikimedia Awareness and Editathon in Vocational College

In what vocational college, where? What country even?! Jmabel ! talk 04:24, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Sa'adatu Baba Vocational College, Yobe State, Nigeria. Hajjare (talk) 19:51, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

We now have the context to add appropriate categories. - Jmabel ! talk 23:45, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:গুনাহার জমিদার বাড়ি

This category needs to be deleted as it is a redundant category using a non-English name. Should add Bengali translation in Gunahar Zamindar Bari category. C1MM (talk) 18:41, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Redirected to the English name and added Bengali translation there. --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 17:00, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Fort Walker (Hilton Head)

Empty category. I moved the category "Fort Walker" I had created in 2021 to "Fort Walker (Hilton Head, South Carolina)" Note, as of late 2023, "Fort A.P Hill" named was officially changed to "Fort Walker". Ooligan (talk) 21:33, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Closing -- category was deleted. --Auntof6 (talk) 18:59, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Burning the Clocks 2018

empty category created by accident, request for delection Onthewings (talk) 00:39, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Onthewings: Tagged as empty to get it deleted. FYI, we don't really need a discussion for cases like this -- you can just use the {{Empty page}} template to get them deleted. -- Auntof6 (talk) 19:06, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Today I learned. Thanks! Onthewings (talk) 12:42, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deleted by Túrelio. -- CptViraj (talk) 13:58, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:Paço Real de Almeirim

Is this distinct from Category:Paço Real dos Negros, incluindo uma azenha e terrenos confinantes, junto à Ribeira de Muge? Jmabel ! talk 02:36, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes - It are two different palaces: one was in the city of Almeirim itself, while the other (the Paco Real dos Negros) was a hunting lodge outside Almeirim (9km to the east) Ipflo (talk) 08:41, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Ipflo: Thanks! I've added notes in English to explain the difference. If you want to translate those, or otherwise improve the category pages, that would be great. Also, a Wikidata item for Paço Real de Almeirim would be good. Please check the notes I added and if you agree those are OK, then we can close the CfD. - Jmabel ! talk 16:03, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

yes - agree - would love to make a wikidata items, but too honest no clue how to do this - more or less created the Wikipedia page and category in the hope that others would contribute as well - it is fairly difficult to find information about the palace Ipflo (talk) 17:35, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Ipflo: I took a shot at it at Royal Palace of Almeirim (Q123979587). Please look and see if there is anything I got wrong, or anything you can add.

If you do want to try your hand at Wikidata some time, you might start by trying to add information to a few existing items that seem skimpy to you. In my experience, it's not either the easiest or the hardest thing to learn. Feel free to hit me up if you want someone to check some edit or edits you make there. - Jmabel ! talk 20:12, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks - appreciated - I tried to link it to the Wikipedia page I created, but then discovered there is another wikidata page as well: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q117210073 - are we able to merge these? Ipflo (talk) 19:19, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Done. I merged it on Wikidata. - Jmabel ! talk 20:33, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Looks like this is fully sorted out. -- Jmabel ! talk 20:34, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Persian Avenue Tortilla Roll

What is the difference between Category:Persian Avenue Tortilla Roll and Category:Persian Avenue Tortilla Roll restaurants? Can they be merged? JopkeB (talk) 12:53, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

• Merge Andy Dingley (talk) 13:12, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

This category discussion has been closed.
Consensus	Resolved by consensus
Actions	MergeCategory:Persian Avenue Tortilla Roll into Category:Persian Avenue Tortilla Roll restaurants  Done
Participants	Andy Dingley (talk · contribs)
Closed by	JopkeB (talk) 15:53, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:Topics in Estonia

See also: Commons:Categories for discussion/2023/12/Category:Estonia by topic.

to be liquidated per Commons:Categories for discussion/2023/12/Category:Estonia by topic Estopedist1 (talk) 18:00, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Estopedist1: As of the moment, that CfD has not reached any conclusion and much of the discussion at there is specific to 'country by topic' categories and not relevant to 'topics in country' categories. However, I assume that you are merely saying that your rationale for deleting this category is the same as you voiced in that discussion. Is that fair to say?

 Question Do you only want to delete Category:Topics in Estonia, or if you are proposing deletion of all "Category:Topics in Country" categories? If it is all of them, this is already under discussion at Commons:Categories for discussion/2023/01/Category:Topics by country, which covers the whole group, and I recommend subsuming this into that discussion. Josh (talk) 18:45, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Consensus at Commons:Categories for discussion/2023/01/Category:Topics by country was to delete all of the "Topics in country" categories, including the particular one raised here, which rather obviates the need for this specific discussion. Josh (talk) 21:39, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

This category discussion has been closed.
Consensus	Resolved without objection
Actions	Delete Category:Topics in Estonia
Participants	Estopedist1 (talk · contribs)
Closed by	Josh (talk) 21:39, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:February flood of 1825

What is the difference between Category:February flood of 1825 and Category:February 1825 floods (which has only one subcategory)? Can the first one be merged into the second one? JopkeB (talk) 04:32, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@JopkeB The Category:February 1825 floods was created by mistake and should be deleted. So far we have only one february flood. It's silly to have a category implying more than one. Hjart (talk) 05:05, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I prefer though Category:February 1825 floods to stay because that is inline with similar categories (see Commons:Categories#Universality principle: Categorization structure should be as systematical and unified as possible). Perhaps then we should rename the first one to Category:February 1825 Northsea flood or something like that. JopkeB (talk) 05:11, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:February 1825 floods is overcategorization, plain and simple. That kind of categories makes the category system way harder to navigate. Hjart (talk) 05:27, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

How is this overcategorization when if fits well into the category chain? JopkeB (talk) 14:40, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@JopkeB It makes the Category tree unnecessarily complex. I have more than once given up trying to find things because of categories like this. It's better to keep the Category tree fairly flat. Hjart (talk) 01:18, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

None of this fighting or discussing over an 's' will sort the bulk of these available images to proper cats overstroming+RP-P. None of the international fiddling with cat names will sort any files to their proper cats. I prefer the s because a flood rarely comes alone, even if it is just two waves next to or after eachother. And it is always like rivers of ... , even if the country has just one. To me it is silly to create cats and leave them in this state Category:February_1825_floods where 2 red links falsely raise the impression twice that there has never been any february flood. And a 3rd red link implies there was not even any weather that month. That's a full load of BS to me. That's a form of 'lying' with category templates and irritantly breaking stuff, if some thorough aftercare is not seen as part of the renaming project. // Not finding stuff where it was expected does not mean anything wrong with that stuff. Peli (talk) 13:38, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

And here in Category:1775_flood_in_the_Netherlands the S is missing and the databox says "many floods". I vote for standard plural. Plus, to be witty, maybe it should be 1825 February floods? Or is that next year's project? Peli (talk) 13:47, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy are those who quarrel about an s. JopkeB (talk) 09:09, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

@Hjart: I agree that a flat category tree is better than a long one with every time only one subcategory. So then:

1. Skip (delete/redirect) Category:February 1825 floods. Then Category:1825 floods will be the main parent category.
2. Keep Category:February flood of 1825 and its subcategory.
   1. Maybe rename it to Category:February 1825 Northsea flood.
   2. Skip Category:Natural disasters in February 1825 (has only this category as a subcategory, nothing else)

What do you think? Do you have a better proposal? JopkeB (talk) 09:29, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

@JopkeB I think that's all very reasonable. Thank you very much. It's fine to categorize things, but this tendency to bury things deep inside complex category trees just for the sake of it, must be met with some restraint. Hjart (talk) 10:25, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll wait another two weeks to see whether someone else has another opinion and and if not, then I close this discussion and implement my proposal, including the renaming (unless you object). JopkeB (talk) 15:45, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

This category discussion has been closed.
Consensus	Resolved by consensus
Actions	1) Delete Category:February 1825 floods. Then Category:1825 floods will be the main parent category. 2) Keep Category:February flood of 1825 and its subcategory. Rename it to Category:February 1825 Northsea flood. 3) Delete Category:Natural disasters in February 1825  Done
Participants	Hjart (talk · contribs) Pelikana (talk · contribs)
Closed by	JopkeB (talk) 14:50, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:BC Cannabis Stores

no reason Pauljin2Y (talk) 21:15, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

 Speedy keep pointless nomination 🇺🇦 Timtrent 🇺🇦 talk to me 🇺🇦 23:01, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Nothing to do. --Achim55 (talk) 08:44, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Taken with SMC PENTAX-DA 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 AL

Is this distinct from the longstanding Category:Taken with SMC Pentax-DA L 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 AL? If so, we probably need a Wikidata item for this. If not, then it should be merged. Jmabel ! talk 03:15, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

The "SMC PENTAX-DA 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 AL" is the first version of this lens (https://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/SMC-Pentax-DA-18-55mm-F3.5-5.6-Zoom-Lens.html). This was replaced in 2008 by the "SMC Pentax-DA 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 AL II" (https://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/SMC-Pentax-DA-18-55mm-F3.5-5.6-II-Version-2-Zoom-Lens.html) and the less expensive "SMC Pentax-DA L 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 AL" (https://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/SMC-Pentax-DAL-18-55mm-F3.5-5.6-Zoom-Lens.html) with a plastic bayonet.

The AL version was already replaced in 2009 by the waterproof version "SMC Pentax-DA 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 AL WR" (https://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/SMC-Pentax-DA-18-55mm-F3.5-5.6-WR-Weather-Resistant-Version-Zoom-Lens.html) as its successor.

I hope this answers your question answered.

This text has been translated from German by means of an online translator. Radler22 (talk) 11:42, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

That's much more information than was needed. But the upshot is that the SMC PENTAX-DA 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 AL is distinct from the SMC Pentax-DA L 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 AL. Jmabel ! talk 19:54, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Taken with SMC PENTAX DA 14 mm f/2.8 ED IF

The bulk of categories in Category:Photographs taken with Pentax lenses use "Pentax" rather than "PENTAX" in their category names. These probably should, too. Jmabel ! talk 03:20, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Applies to:

• Category:Taken with SMC PENTAX DA 14 mm f/2.8 ED IF
• Category:Taken with SMC PENTAX-DA 18-135mm F3.5-5.6 ED AL (IF) DC WR‎
• Category:Taken with SMC PENTAX-A 645 Macro 120 mm F4.0‎
• Category:Taken with SMC PENTAX-FA 135mm F2.8 IF (I seem to be the guilty party on this one).

- Jmabel ! talk 03:23, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

That's also how it's being done in Category:Pentax K-mount lenses, so fine for me! El Grafo (talk) 14:23, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Ack Phiarc (talk) 18:04, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Adding Category:Taken with SMC PENTAX-DA 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 AL. Sounds like this should all be changed. - Jmabel ! talk 19:56, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Agree. Thank you for noticing this! All categories should use the simple spelling “Pentax”. Best, --Aristeas (talk) 19:52, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Seems unanimous to harmonize this. - Jmabel ! talk 21:33, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Spielplatz Küsnacht See

Where is this? Presumably somewhere in Switzerland but there appears to be more than one "Küsnacht" (one on Lake Zurich, and a neighborhood in Geneva) and no "Spielplatz Küsnacht See", at least as far as a Google search can determine. Jmabel ! talk 07:08, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks - it is the one on the Lake of Zurich. I have added a category to make this clear. Thanks Ralfhauser (talk) 09:38, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

I've added Category:Playgrounds in the canton of Zürich, so I think we can say it is sorted out. - Jmabel ! talk 20:45, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Subject is now identified, so keep. - Jmabel ! talk 20:45, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Expat/MIT License

Go to www.bing.com 2001:4898:80E8:7:8BDA:C7C3:620F:5635 05:43, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Procedural close: Test edit, no valid reason. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 10:25, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Nueva Bodega Perelada

Is this really a place called "Perelada", not just a misspelling of Peralada? Jmabel ! talk 07:03, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

¿Pertiene la categoría verdaderamente a un lugar llamada "Perelada", o es la última palabra un error ortográfico de Peralada? - Jmabel ! talk 07:08, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Ist es wirklich eine Kategorie über einen Ort namens "Perelada", nicht nur eine falsche Schreibweise von Peralada? - Jmabel ! talk 07:08, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

The answer from the official website : https://perelada.com/ (the difference arises from the Catalan (Perelada) and Castillian (Peralada) spellings) - best regards : --Gordito1869 (talk) 09:41, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Kept. Thanks, Gordito1869. So the spelling is correct. I've now given it two parent categories. Feel free to add more or to make these more specific. - Jmabel ! talk 19:17, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:ശാസ്ത്രസാഹിത്യ പരിഷത്ത് നാടകയാത്ര 2022

Is this anything other than a Malayalam-language duplicate of Category:Nataka Yathra 2022 by KSSP? Jmabel ! talk 21:33, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Google Translate supports Jmabel's theory, redirecting to the English name. --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 17:07, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Sistema Diédrico

I believe this should be named Category:Dihedral system. We normally name categories in English where an English-language term exists. Jmabel ! talk 00:12, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

No se hablar muy bien el inglés, el término está escrito en el idioma de mi pais, España, creo que también la gente de habla hispana o española, tiene derecho a poder escribirlo o encontrarlo en su idioma. No se si se pueden aunar ambos idiomas, eso sería perfecto.

Un saludo, y ya se cómo se llama sistema diédrico en inglés. Natalia Sanchez Prieto (talk) 12:17, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Si la norma es ponerlo en inglés, por mi no hay problema en que se cambie en inglés,

Un saludo Natalia Sanchez Prieto (talk) 12:25, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Closing. Sounds like we have agreement to move this to Category:Dihedral system.

Category:910th Airlift Wing (United States Air Force)

worl即時新聞報導 2001:4898:80E8:9:2A9E:EA17:7988:CA99 01:57, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Test, nothing to do. --Achim55 (talk) 07:54, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Tatiana Grinberg

category and all its contents are personal artwork that are out of scope at Commons  — billinghurst sDrewth 02:51, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deleted by Fitindia. -- CptViraj (talk) 14:02, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:Files with closed captioning in Ladino

Suggest moving to Category:Files with closed captioning in Judaeo-Spanish (and moving Category:Videos in Ladino Category:Videos in Judaeo-Spanish because that is what most (maybe all?) other relevant Commons categories call the language. Jmabel ! talk 05:06, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Joe, I have no objections, feel free to rename. --Achim55 (talk) 07:25, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

@Niera: you are the only other one who has touched this. Any objections? - Jmabel ! talk 19:32, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi. That's fine with me. Niera (talk) 23:08, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

I'll make the move. Seems uncontroversial. - Jmabel ! talk 01:44, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Places in Ivory Coast

Propose deleting. Seems to serve no purpose as used. Only content is subcat Category:Villages in Ivory Coast, which (like other types of populated places) is also in Category:Populated places in Ivory Coast. Jmabel ! talk 22:13, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

•  Delete as duplicate and "Populated places" is standard. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:10, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
•  Delete, once the sub 'villages' is fixed, this can be speedied. Josh (talk) 07:17, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Closed. Since Josh, who created the category, agrees, I'll delete this. - Jmabel ! talk 19:10, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:Clevedon tea estate

Delete this empty category? Ooligan (talk) 21:16, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

@Ooligan: By starting a CfD, you have delayed it being deleted routinely and immediately under {{SD|C2}}. Is there some reason we might want to keep it? - Jmabel ! talk 06:12, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

No @Jmabel, sorry about that. Can I undo and then SD|C2? -- Ooligan (talk) 06:18, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Given the above, I am closing this as a speedy delete. In the future, please just use {{SD|C2}}. - Jmabel ! talk 06:21, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:June 2022 in the canton of Zurich

empty cat; delete Prototyperspective (talk) 12:43, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: Deleted, still empty. --rimshot^talk 22:46, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Category:Yerba mate Canarias

Empty category with no images Sadads (talk) 23:12, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

 Delete Empty and no WP article or image on Commons for the cat. Prototyperspective (talk) 11:19, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

 Delete Many months old and empty. -- Auntof6 (talk) 18:51, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

 Delete --Allforrous (talk) 16:33, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done: Deleted as empty (not by me). --rimshot^talk 22:50, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Category:Flags of Republic Alrawashdeh

The "republic" (and its "flag") do not exist outside the fantasy world. Outside scope TU-nor (talk) 07:47, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Note the draft article which was recently declined because of a lack of reliable sources. Guido den Broeder (talk) 18:44, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: Speedy deleted (not by me) with no further reason given. --rimshot^talk 22:50, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Category:SVG flags cities in Alrawashdeh Republic

Misprinted. Cat is at "SVG flags of..." TU-nor (talk) 20:31, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: Deleted (not by me), bad name. --rimshot^talk 22:52, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Category:2018 Academy Awards

It's empty, It's useless. 82.169.45.84 23:41, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Kept, not empty anymore. --rimshot^talk 22:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Category:Manikkavacakar

blank cat ~AntanO4task (talk) 17:04, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: Redirected to Category:Manikkavasagar, which is a different spelling. --rimshot^talk 00:10, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Category:Penrose

Its not clear what this category is for, its in "People of Cornwall" but appears to have pages for places. There are lots of uses at w:Penrose but I'm not sure what this is? If its a surname it should go to Category:Penrose (surname). Crouch, Swale (talk) 07:42, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

I recategorised the Panoramio images to Category:Penrose, Colorado and created Category:Penrose, Arlington, Virginia for one from Flickr. Peter James (talk) 12:30, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

After moving the Penroses who are not Category:Roger Penrose to Category:Penrose (surname) and removing overcategorization, the category is now empty. I suggest turning this into a disambiguation for the people and places named Penrose. --rimshot^talk 22:24, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

The result was disambiguate. Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:18, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Category:Harmankaya Waterfall

Empty category, delete. 62.216.207.206 16:25, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Delete. This might have been intended to contain images of the waterfalls in Category:Harmankaya Nature Park, but I don't think there is a need for a separate category. --rimshot^talk 23:10, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 13:47, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Category:Antoine Degas

there was no such person as "Antoine Degas"; this was a mistake resulting from Zeno.org juxtaposing the name of author Antoine Terrasse ("Terrasse, Antoine") with the title of the book "Degas et la photographie". I've renamed and recategorized the files, and I don't think there's any reason to keep the category. DS (talk) 02:52, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: Deleted, empy and no chance of becoming non-empty, as per nom. --rimshot^talk 00:12, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Category:Estonia by topic

See also: Commons:Categories for discussion/2023/12/Category:Topics in Estonia.

<COUNTRY> by topic. Seems redundant. Such country subcats may be huge and arbitrary. Should be deleted. See also Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2022/12#1st_level_subcats_for_country_cats Estopedist1 (talk) 14:04, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

 Disagree  Keep We (Josh and me) just figured out that the 'by topic' categories are a good tool for improving the findability of subcategories, especially for theoretically subjects because gallery pages are less applicable. Because it is an index category, all contents can be listed at the same level and overcategorization is allowed. See Commons:Categories for discussion/2023/10/Category:Terminology. We just still have to figure out whether all topics/subcategories should be in a 'by topic' category (which I think that's too much of a good thing) or only a selection, by curation (for theoretically subjects by an expert on the subject), but then indeed it might look arbitrary. JopkeB (talk) 16:52, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@JopkeB: What is the advantage of this over having them directly in the country category? Seems redundant to me, too. - Jmabel ! talk 19:21, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Jmabel: See comment of Josh below, I could not say it in a better way. JopkeB (talk) 04:05, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

 Keep Different users have different approaches and different needs. We obviously cannot and should not try to accommodate every individual's preferred 'flavor', but we have a couple of different approaches that are supported by the current categorization. On one hand is the topical category structure which is hierarchical and follows the Categorization Principles that I'm sure most of us are pretty familiar with (hierarchy, universality, simplicity, etc.). The other is the indices, with a flat listing of all categories within a topic ordered by the specified criteria. Both exist in parallel, and strictly speaking they are redundant, but they are a valuable redundancy, in that they offer two very different ways for users to find categories effectively to both locate and curate media. There is no need to eliminate this redundancy and doing so will reduce the useability and accessibility of Commons. Josh (talk) 02:29, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

So what category that would be anywhere under Category:Estonia isn't "by topic"? Only thing that comes to mind is Category:Black and white photographs of Estonia. - Jmabel ! talk 10:09, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Personally I would only include the real topic/subject categories, not the 'by' categories, and not categories like Files of Estonia with bad file names‎ and Unidentified subjects in Estonia‎. The current subcategories are fine, but I would add most of the other main subcategories like Geography and main subcategories like Populated places (which is hard to find via the category structure), Economy, Events, Nature and Estonia is famous for its e-government. JopkeB (talk) 10:54, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

then at first please discuss the category question through, and if discussion has consensus/compromise, then we are ready to create such massive categories with 10k+ subcategories. Currently it just seems that solo-work by @Joshbaumgartner. I also wonder that even explanatory header is missing at category's head Estopedist1 (talk) 12:39, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Agreed with JopkeB, something like "Vehicles in Estonia by color" should not be listed in this index, but "Vehicles in Estonia" should be. You are correct that Category:Black and white photographs of Estonia probably does not belong, as "black and white photographs" is not a topic, but instead a media type. Additionally, JopkeB listed some maintenance categories, and the 'by topic' index should not include these as they are likewise not topics. Josh (talk) 18:30, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

By the way, I discovered that we also have "<Topics in <COUNTRY>", e.g. Category:Topics in Estonia. Both category schemes to be deleted--Estopedist1 (talk) 17:59, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I had already started a discussion (Commons:Categories for discussion/2023/01/Category:Topics by country) about this very thing, and revisiting it, it seems there is no objection to deleting the "Topics in country" categories. It's been open since early this year, so I will proceed to close it and we can start to remove these categories. This is, however, very different from the "Country by topic" categories, to which the above discussion applies. Josh (talk) 18:49, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Joshbaumgartner: Just a small side road: there is also Category:Categories of country X, for the Netherlands with a long list of topic subcategories (which seems redundant with Category:Netherlands by topic‎). For Estonia I see a description and only 'by' subcategories. Should that be for the Netherlands (and perhaps other countries) the same? So: have the same description as in Estonia and only 'by' subcategories? JopkeB (talk) 05:52, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@JopkeB That's a good point, and yes, I've seen the Categories of X categories and thinking about a potential "Category:Categories of categories of categories of..." just makes my head hurt so honestly I've just kind of quietly closed the door and moved on to other things. I suppose it probably warrants a look at, but 'categories of' are named like a topic category (or even maybe a maintenance category). Most "Category:Categories..." categories are hiddencats for a reason. I'm not really sure what real purpose they serve besides as a grouping to help with maintenance, but if someone uses them a lot, maybe they can share their use case. Perhaps it is best to discuss them in their own CfD. Josh (talk) 06:07, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@Joshbaumgartner: I see now that in Category:Categories of countries already the statement is, that it should only contain "the general country categories of meta categories" (and so should subcategories, due to the Universality principle, which I hope does not only applies to category names but also to content). So my conclusion is that the category for Estonia is correct and the one for the Netherlands should be adjusted. Then a new CfD would not be necessary. Perhaps there should be a new template instead of Template:CatCat, that says that such a category should only contain metacategories (by criterium). JopkeB (talk) 07:22, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

State of affairs

• It looks like we agree that the categories 'Country X by topic' should stay.
• Such categories should have only topic categories as subcategories.
• However we need to agree on the exact content: all topic categories of country X or just a good selection? We discuss this issue on Commons:Categories for discussion/2023/10/Category:Terminology.
• After that discussion has been closed, we will continue this discussion. Then we still have to discuss (perhaps among other things):
  • Should there be an explanatory header in each subcategory, and what would the text be?
  • How to implement the outcome?

--JopkeB (talk) 07:39, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Conclusions from Commons:Categories for discussion/2023/10/Category:Terminology, relevant for this discussion:

• Subcategories of categories 'by topic':
  • may only be topic categories (so for instance have not 'by' in the category name or is about a medium)
  • may be from any level down under the main topic
  • but should be directly relevant to that main topic (though aircraft is a vehicle and so a product and thus part of economics, it does not make sense to have aircraft in the Category:Economics by topic)
  • subcategories with similar names (like Category:Industry and Category:Industrial architecture) can be left out.
• The category itself (so Category:Estonia by topic) may not be the only parent category of a subcategory. All the subcategories should have other proper parent categories, so that they also can be found via the regular category structure.
• Each subcategory should have a description, either in the Wikidata item and/or at the top of the page.

--JopkeB (talk) 07:51, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

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Since there were no objections to the conclusions in over three months, I close this discussion. Outcomes:

1. 'Country X by topic' should stay, and thus Category:Estonia by topic should stay.
2. For the details: see conclusions in Commons:Categories for discussion/2023/10/Category:Terminology.

JopkeB (talk) 04:56, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

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This category discussion has been closed.
Consensus	Resolved without objection
Actions	None
Participants	Estopedist1 (talk · contribs) Jmabel (talk · contribs) Joshbaumgartner (talk · contribs)
Closed by	JopkeB (talk) 04:56, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Category:Charts related to death

merge to Category:Death statistics? Prototyperspective (talk) 23:18, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

I think Category:Death statistics should be the parent of Category:Charts related to death, which should (only) contain charts, also the files showing charts that are now in Death statistics. So there's work to be done. JopkeB (talk) 14:54, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Since there were no reactions for nearly four months, I close this discussion. Both categories can stay, Category:Death statistics will be a parent of Category:Charts related to death. --JopkeB (talk) 05:24, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Category:Women on other women's laps

Given that this entire category consists of erotic photographs, I would think we would want to name it in a way that indicates that, rather than have viewers be surprised. Jmabel ! talk 03:15, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

 Support Agree. Prototyperspective (talk) 12:07, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

 Support Agree. JopkeB (talk) 16:28, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

@Prototyperspective and JopkeB: So what should it be called? They are not all nude, or that would be simple. Category:Nude or partially nude women on other women's laps? Category:Erotic images of women on other women's laps? or something else? - Jmabel ! talk 19:23, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I prefer Category:Erotic images of women on other women's laps because that is the shortest of the two and it reflects what you wrote in your first sentence: "erotic photographs". JopkeB (talk) 03:58, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

I think I also favor that…slightly so it's difficult to say – both seem reasonable and I couldn't think of a better title (e.g. to make the first one shorter); the only other thing would be using "(NSFW)" somehow like here but that has e.g. the problem that it's an abbreviation that not everybody knows. A possibility is creating both and redirecting the first to the latter. Prototyperspective (talk) 09:13, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't see any reason to have two names for the category. This is not one of those categories people are particularly likely to be searching for, more a matter of just grouping the photos within the pictures of people on laps.

I'd consider this a consensus for Category:Erotic images of women on other women's laps, but I think this one should be closed by an uninvolved admin. - Jmabel ! talk 18:09, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jmabel: How much longer would you like to wait for an uninvolved admin? Can I close it (though I am not an admin and not univolved)? JopkeB (talk) 10:24, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

@JopkeB Go for it. We seem to have consensus. - Jmabel ! talk 14:37, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

This category discussion has been closed.
Consensus	Resolved by consensus
Actions	Rename category to Category:Erotic images of women on other women's laps  Done
Participants	Jmabel (talk · contribs) Prototyperspective (talk · contribs)
Notes	I kept the original category because it turned out there were also a lot of non-erotic photographs of women (mostly girls and baby girls) sitting on other women's lap.
Closed by	JopkeB (talk) 04:03, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Category:China-India border disputes

How, if at all, does this differ from Category:Sino-Indian border dispute? Jmabel ! talk 01:59, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

This category is redundant of the one you mentioned above @Jmabel. Can this be deleted now after all these months and no reply @Ksn.kenny? -- Ooligan (talk) 16:31, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Turning into a cat redirect seems uncontroversial. - Jmabel ! talk 18:09, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Category:Christmas tree at the United States Capitol

This category and Category:Capitol Christmas trees feel redundant. I suggest merging them and keeping this category as a redirect. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 23:53, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I agree: merge Category:Christmas tree at the United States Capitol into Category:Capitol Christmas trees.

Suggestion: It looks like the first one is set up as a kind of gallery page. Perhaps it is a nice idea to make indeed a gallery page with a selection of those photos (one of each year) before merging the two categories. JopkeB (talk) 16:01, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Since there were no reactions for five months, I close this discussion and merge Category:Christmas tree at the United States Capitol into Category:Capitol Christmas trees. Whoever wants to make a gallery page: go ahead! --JopkeB (talk) 04:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

This category discussion has been closed.
Consensus	Resolved without objection
Actions	merge Category:Christmas tree at the United States Capitol into Category:Capitol Christmas trees  Done
Participants	Cryptic-waveform (talk · contribs)
Closed by	JopkeB (talk) 04:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Reality television show contestants by genre

Merge to Category:Reality television series contestants by genre OwenBlacker (talk) 12:59, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Support merge, unless there are is a reality show in there which is not actually part of a series. --rimshot^talk 22:28, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done: merged and redirected. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 16:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

category:memes and image macros

needs clarification vis-a-vis category:Internet memes Arlo James Barnes 05:43, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: closing stale discussion. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 16:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Village in Giza Governorate

does this cat make sense? if it does it should be in plural Prototyperspective (talk) 12:45, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Delete, there don't seem to be enough Category:Populated places in Giza Governorate to warrant an extra category. --rimshot^talk 22:48, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done: per User:Rimshot. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 17:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:The Apotheosis of Washington

I'd like to move this category to "The Apotheosis of Washington (Brumidi)" to distinguish it from other works with the same title, including The Apotheosis of Washington by John James Barralet, which is currently (and very confusingly) located in a subcategory under Brumidi's painting in the Capitol, even though the two are completely different and have nothing to do with one another. The subcategory is currently named Apotheosis of George Washington; I propose to rename it to "The Apotheosis of Washington (Barralet)" to distinguish it from Brumidi's painting. The redirect from the current title would go to a disambiguation page. Raising the question here first to see if there are any comments or objections. Crawdad Blues (talk) 14:47, 4 December 2023 (UTC) (Edited to fix typos in Barralet's name. Crawdad Blues (talk) 15:00, 4 December 2023 (UTC))

@Crawdad Blues: when you say "The redirect from the current title would go to a disambiguation page" I would hope you mean that Category:The Apotheosis of Washington will become a disambiguation page. Do I understand correctly? If so, I agree. - Jmabel ! talk 22:07, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@Jmabel: Yes, I expressed it badly, but that's what I meant: there would be no automatic redirect (and I shouldn't have used that word); instead, searches for The Apotheosis of Washington would continue to land on the current page, but instead of containing images of Brumidi's work that page would contain disambiguation links to two other categories, one for Brumidi and one for Barralet. Rereading my proposal now I see that it is in fact a lot more confusing than necessary. I think it has something to do with trying to type the proposal into that tiny box on the nomination page that only shows a single continuous scrolling line rather than a whole paragraph! In any case, thanks for asking me to clarify :) Crawdad Blues (talk) 22:40, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

See also Commons:Categories for discussion/2023/12/Category:Apotheosis of George Washington. – Wbm1058 (talk) 13:31, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done Crawdad Blues (talk) 15:12, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done: already completed. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 17:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Apotheosis of George Washington

I'd like to move this category to "The Apotheosis of Washington (Barralet)" to distinguish it from other works with the same title, including The Apotheosis of Washington by Constantine Brumidi in the U.S. Capitol. The category for the latter is currently named simply "The Apotheosis of Washington", but I propose to move it to "The Apotheosis of Washington (Brumidi)" to avoid confusion. The two works are unrelated except by subject matter and the current category names (as well as the fact that Barralet's work is illogically placed in a subcategory beneath Brumidi's) are very confusing. Raising the question here first to see if there are any comments or objections. Crawdad Blues (talk) 14:55, 4 December 2023 (UTC) (Edited to fix typo in Barralet's name. Crawdad Blues (talk) 14:59, 4 December 2023 (UTC))

Greetings! As one of the contributors, I think your idea makes excellent sense. All best wishes, Daderot (talk) 18:25, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

See also Commons:Categories for discussion/2023/12/Category:The Apotheosis of Washington. – Wbm1058 (talk) 13:34, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done Crawdad Blues (talk) 15:12, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done: closing completed discussion. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 17:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:A jar holding water

I think this parentless category is just not useful. Nothing it covers that couldn't be better covered by other existing categories, and no clear scope for this category. Jmabel ! talk 05:11, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Support deleting. The jar may be holding water, but the water isn't visible, so just categorize under Category:Jars or an appropriate subcat. -- Auntof6 (talk) 18:49, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: deleted per nom. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 17:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Kouyouen

A category name of a Japanese neighborhood should be spelled in Hepburn Romanization. It should be renamed to Category:Kōyōen. トトト (talk) 05:03, 7 December 2023 (UTC)--トトト (talk) 09:30, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

If there are no clear objections, I would like to rename after 2 weeks. --トトト (talk) 05:04, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

There is no consensus here that Japanese place names should be spelt with macrons; in fact, they are mostly written without macrons, due to the guideline by the Geospatial Information Authority, the sole authoritative body in deciding place names in Japan. So in regard of this neighbourhood, it should be Category:Koyoen if the category has to be renamed. JFYI, names of a street and a railway station are actually written in this way. Yasu (talk) 15:04, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: per User:Yasu. But feel free to create category redirects. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 17:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Fortune (Reni)

Please delete. A category already exists: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Fortuna_by_Guido_Reni 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 20:43, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: deleted as empty. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 17:09, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Daepo Jusangjeolli Cliff

Duplicate of Columnar basalts in Jungmun and Daepo at Jeju Toobigtokale (talk) 13:56, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: deleted as empty. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 17:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Capacete de Combate Balístico

Subject is likely a hoax or the product of misguided original research. See. w:en:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Capacete de Combate Balístico. Serraria (talk) 21:27, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: deleted as empty. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 17:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Darussalam, Hyderabad

Empty category 🇺🇦 Timtrent 🇺🇦 talk to me 🇺🇦 15:34, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Also:

• Category:Jaffar Hussain
• Category:Kausar Moinuddin
• Category:Mumtaz Ahmed Khan Politician
• Category:Shah Faruk Anwar
• Category:Syed Ahmed Pasha Quadri

🇺🇦 Timtrent 🇺🇦 talk to me 🇺🇦 15:36, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: deleted as empty. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 17:16, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Child actresses from San Antonio, Texas

Obviously superfluous Fl.schmitt (talk) 09:01, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: deleted as empty. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 17:25, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:New Adult

Die Kategorie sollte umbenannt werden in "New adult novels", damit sie in das vorhandene Schema passt Maimaid (talk) 11:31, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: moved without redirect to Category:New Adult novels. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 17:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Alrawashdeh-Orda Buryat Okrug

This is part of a cross-Wiki hoax. There is not and has never been any Russian okrug with this name. The flag is a fantasy flag elsewhere presented as the flag of a micronation. A declined article draft at en:Draft:Alrawashdeh-Orda Buryat Okrug is just stuff copied from articles about Ust-Orda Buryat Autonomous Okrug that did exist until 2008 with a few changes made to it TU-nor (talk) 11:54, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: deleted 07:56, January 12, 2024, by Yann (per COM:SPEEDY). --P 1 9 9  ✉ 17:34, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:The Wonderful Wizard of Oz (book)

Redundant when Category:The Wonderful Wizard of Oz exists. I moved all stuff out of here to there, and tightened up that page so it is stuff only related to the book. SDudley (talk) 04:05, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Excellent - many thanks to you. Best wishes, Daderot (talk) 11:26, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: deleted as empty. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 17:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Peter Suhr II

as there is no Peter Suhr I please rename to Peter Suhr Oursana (talk) 19:00, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Oursana. How can this one, born 1778, be the same as this one, born 1682? You have worked with this Peter Suhr #1 yourself there. And now deny his existence. But I have just checked the Deutsche Biographie link and the 3 others. And it really looks like there was an earlier artist with same name. Btw. cat Peter Suhr already exists as empty cat so the contents just has to be moved there in case the birth date 1682 turns out to be an obvious error. And the (II) addition to the name was necessary to avoid wikidata conflicts. And here you had accepted this graphic artist to be dealt with as 'the younger', aka number 2 out of 2. Where II is an international notation and "the younger" is english only it seemed fair to translate 'the younger' with 'II'. Best regards Peli (talk) 19:12, 25 December 2023 (UTC) 19:04, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Pelikana, thank you I forgot this. Can you close the discussion?--Oursana (talk) 20:44, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Discussion closed. Peli (talk) 00:07, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: closing discussion, withdrawn. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 17:37, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Sufi whirling

Propose merger to Category:Whirling dervishes; I don't see any meaningful difference. Jmabel ! talk 07:12, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Agree. Elekes Andor (talk) 08:54, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: merged and redirected. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 17:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:SVG Flag of Treinta y Tres Departament

Category created by mistake  Goldsztern  ✶  07:46, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: deleted per nom. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 17:42, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Oops

Probably should be moved to Category:Oops (text), handled as a text category, and Wikimedia Service Temporarily Unavailable.webm should go elsewhere (probably something related to Category:Computer errors). Jmabel ! talk 02:59, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: for now. Needless disambiguation because any instance where this word is not shown in the image should be categorized in appropriate "Error" subcategories. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 18:16, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Pop numbers

"numbers" to be replaced with "songs". More clear and per enwiki. Only subcategory is also affected Estopedist1 (talk) 07:24, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

I have changed Pop nummers to Pop songs and Numbers to Artist to Artist songs! Antoine.01_overleg(Antoine) 11:55, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Totally misnamed category. The correct naming scheme must be Songs by [act]. Also the mother category is completely nonsensical. -- Blackcat 20:24, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done: deleted 09:09, December 29, 2023, by Túrelio. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 18:17, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Farahabad, Farg Qaleh

Unnecessary {{User|POS78}} ^talk 16:49, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: deleted as unneeded redirect. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 18:18, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:London Buses route 409

This bus route doesn't exist, and never did. It's the exact same as Category:Surrey bus route 409. It's just that it used to go to w:Fairfield Halls and Purley, before being cut back to Selsdon Library due to w:London low emission zone and other reasons. Look at the blinds of the buses (it's the exact same route minus Fairfield Halls and Purley). I propose redirecting this category to Category:Surrey bus route 409 and renaming and redirecting the subcategories appropriately. Some deletion will probably have to happen at Wikidata as well. —Matrix(!) {user - talk? - useless contributions} 20:04, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

 Comment the picture in the panel isn't even a relevant bus. It just happens to have 409 as the route number 🇺🇦 Timtrent 🇺🇦 talk to me 🇺🇦 08:58, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

If the 409 that served Purley is the same as the current 409 and it's just a change of route, it is relevant; if not there should be a separate category, and if using the county, "London bus route 409" is as accurate as "Surrey bus route 409". If it's the same 409 mentioned at http://www.countrybus.org/S_PS/PS.html it was operated by East Surrey, and later by London Transport, then London Country Buses when it was split from London Transport and transferred to NBC. London Buses only existed from 1999 but routes don't have separate categories for when they were operated by London Transport or other operators before TfL existed, so it's an anachronism here, but as part of a naming scheme for categories it would be a reasonable redirect, either to Surrey bus route 409 or a new category. Peter James (talk) 17:08, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

@Timtrent: It's the same bus. At File:Brighton Road, Purley, 1981 - geograph.org.uk - 610723.jpg the blinds and description say "East Grinstead". That's the current destination of the modern bus route (Selsdon to East Grinstead), see . There were no other 409s that went to East Grinstead. —Matrix(!) {user - talk? - useless contributions} 18:34, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

@Matrix Unless I am mistaken this is not a London bus model 🇺🇦 Timtrent 🇺🇦 talk to me 🇺🇦 19:55, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

@Timtrent: you seem to have a misconception, this bus was never run by London buses (that was only made in 1999), rather at that time (before December 1981 per this website) it was run by w:London Country Bus Services which had those vehicles, see w:London Country Bus Services § New vehicles ("There were also 11 Leyland-engined, Godstone-based Daimler Fleetlines") —Matrix(!) {user - talk? - useless contributions} 20:02, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done: Merged into Surrey bus route 409. --The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 02:03, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Faculty of the Faculty of Law, National University of Singapore

Title seems to be misspelled, the correct one already exists. A1Cafel (talk) 09:17, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

No, “Category:Faculty of the National University of Singapore” is a parent category. — Sgconlaw (talk) 11:23, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

 Question Can you explain why you create this category, and what is the importance of holding this category? --A1Cafel (talk) 04:01, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

It’s the same as any subcategory in “Category:Faculty by law school in the United States”, is it not? — Sgconlaw (talk) 18:43, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Keep Faculty of Law of NUS = School of Law in other universities. Quirky but correct to apply "Faculty of" to it when categorising its faculty. Robertsky (talk) 21:13, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: kept per User:Robertsky. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 15:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Wikimedia awareness in Federal College of Horticulture Dadin Kowa

The only image in this category seems to me to be at most tangentially related to "Wikimedia awareness" and should be moved up to parent category Category:Federal College of Horticultural Technology, Dadin Kowa. Then, unless there are images that actually belong in this category, this category should be deleted. Jmabel ! talk 00:49, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: deleted per nom. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 15:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Estudantes of Universidad Península de Santa Elena

This appears to be a Spanish-language article disguised as a Commons category. Completely out of Commons COM:SCOPE.

Aparace ser un artículo en español disfrazado de categoría. Completamente afuera del alcance de Commons. Jmabel ! talk 22:23, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: deleted. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 14:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Esslingen-Pliensauvorstadt

I think this should just be deleted because it's empty, but it's got a complicated history and maybe should be a cat redirect. Figured I'd give a chance for someone to say otherwise. Jmabel ! talk 23:43, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Exists as Category:Pliensauvorstadt. It is a district of Esslingen. Maybe use Category:Esslingen-Pliensauvorstadt as a redirect. Greets -- Triple C 85 ^{| User talk |} 20:18, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

 Done: redirected. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 14:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Alva's Virasat 2023 Day1

I'm guessing this should just be deleted, but since it's quite new and someone might have plans for it, I figured I'd ask first. Jmabel ! talk 00:14, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: fixed category tree - there are dozens of pics that can go in this category. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 14:54, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Кузнецов, Дмитрий Васильевич

We usually write category names in Latin letters; I propose a move to Category:Dmitry Vasilyevich Kuznetsov. Jmabel ! talk 04:15, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: redirected per nom. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 14:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:WikiDahon

I have no idea what this category is supposed to represent, and it has no parent categories. The sole photo in the category does nothing to make it clearer. Can anyone explain this cateory so it can be fixed? Jmabel ! talk 06:30, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: deleted per nom. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 14:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:1970s in Tasmania

I suggest to merged this category with Category:Tasmania in the 1970s Robby (talk) 21:31, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Fine, it makes sense JarrahTree (talk) 03:41, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

I have emptied the category and moved the items to the more correct Tasmania in the 1970s, it can be either a redirect or delete... JarrahTree (talk) 04:22, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: redirected per nom. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 14:42, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Fossorials

This has a tag saying it follows "the LOCAL category scheme for Commons maintenance" but it seems to do nothing of the sort. It's not under Category:Commons maintenance content at all. I'm not at all sure what this category is supposed to be used for, and its name doesn't seem to suggest a maintenance category. At the moment it has exactly one image. Would someone please sort out what this is and hook it correctly into the category tree? Otherwise, it should simply be deleted. Jmabel ! talk 05:54, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello,

This category was recently created to add all images of fossorial animals to tag them for WikiProject Fossorials. It is definitely not complete, with only one addition, but I'll get to adding more images sometime today or tomorrow. Memer15151 (talk) 13:02, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

@Memer15151: if you understand what the category is about, can you please give it appropriate parent categories, and link it from any appropriate Wikidata item? Thanks.- Jmabel ! talk 18:43, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: now properly categorized and linked to WD. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 14:38, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:WLB Chimmini Wildlife Sanctuary

What does WLB stand for? The cat may need to be moved. Also please add a description. Prototyperspective (talk) 12:05, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: images upmerged and category deleted. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 14:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Portrait photographs of Bouet

Propose upmerge to Category:Christoph Bouet. I've literally never seen us set up a category like this for a single photo. Jmabel ! talk 01:48, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: deleted per nom. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 14:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Porta San Francesco (San Marino)

I believe this is the same thing as Category:Porta del Paese (San Marino) and should be merged. Jmabel ! talk 02:50, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: merged to Porta San Francesco, since it seems that this name is the official one per this site. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 14:26, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Mainbrücke Ginsheim-Gustavsburg

Sollte umbenannt werden in Eisenbahnbrücke Hochheim, vereinheitlicht mit Wikipedia und Wikidata. GerritR (talk) 20:05, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: moved per nom. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 14:17, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:OpenStreetMap Surface Tagging Examples

This seems very odd as a category. Categories are supposed to have objective criteria for what belongs in the category. I believe this should be replaced by a Gallery page. Jmabel ! talk 20:53, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

I propose this be replaced by OpenStreetMap Surface Tagging Examples. See further discussion at []. Pinging @Eplack. - Jmabel ! talk 01:14, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done: deleted per nom (not following the principles at COM:CAT) and now replaced by a gallery page. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 14:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Despoblados de Huesca

I'd suggest moving to Category:Ghost towns in Huesca (keeping a redirect would be fine). Usually we name categories in English unless there is a specific reason not to. Jmabel ! talk 06:28, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: moved per nom. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 14:09, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Tywyn (given name)

Proposing for deletion: I can find no references to Tywyn as a given name - no such categories or pages exist on Commons or En-wiki as far as I can find. The only subcategory, Tywyn, is a place not a personal name. Voice of Clam 21:33, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: deleted as empty. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 13:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Communication intelligence artificielle

I don't see what this category is for. The French language "description" (by an anonymous user) reads more like an essay. I cannot make out the criteria for what would and would not belong in this category. Jmabel ! talk 02:41, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

@Jmabel: This is now an empty category, with a wrong name too, so I think it can be deleted. JopkeB (talk) 06:17, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Deleting as empty and incorrectly named. - Jmabel ! talk 06:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Tapis rouge des arts littéraires

There is no red carpet, and in the end it is just photographs of writers, if they need to belong they should be per event  — billinghurst sDrewth 07:40, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

The project was called Red Carpet of Literary Arts and its mission was to improve the quality of the photos of Quebec writers found in the public sphere. The project is part of the movement of similar initiatives that have emerged in recent years. Let us think, among others, of the Red Carpet Project of the Cinémathèque québécoise (https://ca.wikimedia.org/wiki/Projet_Tapis_Rouges?uselang=fr) and the Wikimedia Guinea Red Carpet project (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ Tapis_Rouge_wikim%C3%A9dia_Guin%C3%A9e). I therefore believe that the Red Carpet of Literary Arts category reflects the project that was carried out and makes it easy to group together the photos that were taken during the various events included in the project's programming. FrederiqueDube (talk) 16:20, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: kept per User:FrederiqueDube, but turned into a hidden category. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 14:04, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Coats of arms of Broich family (Mühlheim an der Ruhr)

Sollte umbenannt werden: Coats of of arms of Broich family (Mülheim an der Ruhr) wegen typo (Mülheim ohne h) GerritR (talk) 09:01, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: and redirect deleted as redundant. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 14:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Steam engines with Heusinger valvegear

Duplicate of Category:Steam engines with Walschaerts valvegear. The two gears are identical: they are effectively identical, they are considered identical in most sources and textbooks. There might be some question of primacy of invention, but that itsn't apparent in their design afterwards. The one entry here, the RENFE 060 has no sourcing that it's specifically Heusinger in any way. Andy Dingley (talk) 18:44, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Documentation au Togo

This looks like some mix of a badly formed French-language article and a badly-formed category. I've added a parent category (Category:Togo) but this needs to be better sorted out. Jmabel ! talk 03:27, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Videos by Underwear introduction

I doubt these videos of a woman removing and displaying her undergarments fall within COM:SCOPE, even though they are under the CC-BY license. JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 23:30, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@JohnCWiesenthal: I nominated the videos for deletion here. I'll probably just delete the category and close this once the videos are dealt with assuming that's the outcome. --Adamant1 (talk) 01:04, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Watermills

see previous CfD at Commons:Categories for discussion/2021/04/Category:Watermills

Remove Watermills from Water wheels. This was done based on a CfD which received no objections which I closed a few days ago. Attempting to implement this, I noted some complications, and JopkeB also helpfully raised some concerns about the change. Looking into it, I think we should simply back off from adding Water wheels as a parent of Watermills and potentially discuss a more appropriate structure for these. Josh (talk) 21:43, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

@JopkeB and Andy Dingley: (pinging other participants) Josh (talk) 21:48, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

I agree that Whater wheels should not be a parent of Watermills. Now Category:Water wheels is a parent as well as a grandchild of Category:Watermills:

Water wheels

Watermills

Watermill parts

Water wheels

That cannot be correct.

Solutions might be:

1. to rename the water wheels that are not part of a watermill (something like "Stand alone water wheels")
2. and/or the other way around: use Category:Scoop wheels for the water wheels that are part of a watermill.

Perhaps you know other solutions. JopkeB (talk) 05:11, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

@Joshbaumgartner: Could you look into this discussion again? --JopkeB (talk) 03:51, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Joshbaumgartner: This discussion is still open. Could you please give a reaction? What solution do you favour? JopkeB (talk) 04:49, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

@JopkeB I think that given that Andy Dingley (talk · contribs) has not had any comment here, it is safe to start with simply vacating the original CfD result to start. As for the solution going forward, it seems to me that there are water wheels which are part of a mill, and those that are not. This would to me indicate that Category:Water wheels should cover both, with a sub-cat for water wheels that serve a mill (Category:Water wheels of mills, Category:Water mill wheels, or some-such). I don't know enough to say whether all scoop wheels serve mills and/or all mill wheels are scoop wheels, so I can't say whether Category:Scoop wheels would serve this purpose. I'm not a big fan of categories defined by what they are not, so I don't know if we need a catch-all 'non-mill' wheel category. Presumably, there are other purposes for a water wheel than just driving a mill, so other sub-cats can be made for each of these non-mill roles if there are contents to support them. Josh (talk) 19:07, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

@Joshbaumgartner: I think you are right that scoop wheels are not the same as water wheels: scoop wheels are for pumping water, usually used for land drainage, not for generating energy. So that indeed is not a solution. My proposal:

• Category:Water wheels - remove Category:Watermill parts as a parent and keep the other ones
  • Category:Water mill wheels, which has also Category:Watermill parts as a parent
  • Category:Scoop wheels - stays as it is, but remove Category:Windmill parts as a parent (because not all scoop wheels are powered by wind, other possibilities: electricity and other types of energy).

Then the only thing left is Water wheels for other purposes than serving a water mill or just pumping water. So when we see those other purposes we can create categories with "Water wheels" and the purpose in the category name. Do you and @HenkvD: (who created Category:Scoop wheels) agree? --JopkeB (talk) 06:28, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for pinging me. I was not aware of this discussion. My proposal

• "Water mill wheels" does not seem a proper name to me.
• Category:Water wheels with Category:Watermill parts as a parent. Add text "See also Category:Scoop wheels for wheels to pump water".
• Category:Scoop wheels - stays as it is. Add text "See also {Category:Water wheels for wheels that convert flowing or falling water into energy". Whether or not to remove Category:Windmill parts as a parent is a seperate point.
• Remove Watermills from Water wheels.

HenkvD (talk) 10:00, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

And what to do with water wheels that are not part of a watermill? What should the category name be if "Water mill wheels" is not a proper name? JopkeB (talk) 15:51, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Maybe this could work:

• Category:Water wheels
  • Category:Water wheels of watermills
• Category:Scoop wheels
  • Category:Scoop wheels of windmills

HenkvD (talk) 08:35, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Summary

Combined proposal:

• Category:Water wheels - remove Category:Watermill parts as a parent and keep the other ones - this category is for all types of water wheels: of watermills as well as of scoop wheels; (so contrary to the proposal of HenkvD I kept Category:Scoop wheels as a subctegory of Category:Water wheels)
  • Create Category:Water wheels of watermills, with Category:Watermill parts as one of the parents
  • Category:Scoop wheels - stays as it is, but remove Category:Windmill parts as a parent
    • Create Category:Scoop wheels of windmills and have also Category:Windmill parts as a parent
  • (Pro Memory: subcategories to be made in the future: Water wheels for other purposes than serving a water mill or just pumping water)
• Remove Water wheels as a parent from Watermills

@Joshbaumgartner and HenkvD: Do you agree that these actions are to be taken to solve this discussion? --JopkeB (talk) 14:54, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

@JopkeB I have no problem with that. Thanks for summarizing. Josh (talk) 15:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

@JopkeB and Joshbaumgartner: I agree too. OK to make the changes now. HenkvD (talk) 11:53, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

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This category discussion has been closed.
Consensus	Resolved by consensus
Actions	See Summary/Combined proposal  Done
Participants	Joshbaumgartner (talk · contribs) HenkvD (talk · contribs)
Notes	Still to do: make subcategories for Category:Water wheels of watermills, at least by country and diagrams, using (the six subcategories on top of) Category:Water wheels.  Done for countries. Renamed Category:Water wheels of watermills to Category:Watermill wheels because this is shorter, especially in subcategories --JopkeB (talk) 05:46, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Closed by	JopkeB (talk) 08:47, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Category:Mayors of Austria by city

Category:Mayors of Austria by city and Category:Mayors of Austria by municipality impose the concept of the type of municipality (city, not a city, but not market towns (which is a bit inconsistent)) to the mayors of that municipality. This is an unnecessary violation of possible abstraction, as every city also is a municipality (municipality is the more general term). A short check on the sibling categories for other countries did not show the same differenciation. So my proposal is to merge Category:Mayors of Austria by city to Category:Mayors of Austria by municipality, as well as for all subcategories in federal level. best Herzi Pinki (talk) 21:03, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

 Agree: Merge. A mayor is part of a municipality, no matter how big, small or old the municipality or city is. A city may be part of a (larger) municipality with the same name or another name. That only results in confusion when there are two categories for the same concept. JopkeB (talk) 15:52, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

This category discussion has been closed.
Consensus	Resolved by consensus
Actions	Merge Category:Mayors of Austria by city into Category:Mayors of Austria by municipality, including all subcategories  Done
Participants	Herzi Pinki (talk · contribs)
Closed by	JopkeB (talk) 14:09, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Category:GB71PUL

Unused and will likely remain so, vehicle not notable enough, arguably, to deserve own category. Hullian111 (talk) 07:12, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

 Delete - Jmabel ! talk 22:36, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Delete. There seems to be no disagreement. - Jmabel ! talk 21:58, 12 December 2023 (UTC) The only way a vehicle can be identified for greater image use — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kk70088 (talk • contribs)

fix --Min☠︎rax^«¦talk¦» 04:11, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Category:American technology chief executives

What is this (parentless) category supposed to represent? Does "American" here just mean "from the United States"? We don't even have a Category:Chief executives, though there is Category:Chief executive officers and, in particular,Category:Chief executive officers from the United States. Is this intended to parallel Category:Chief executives of education-related organizations from the United States? In that case (and if my guess is right about "American") it should be renamed to Category:Chief executives of technology-related organizations from the United States and given appropriate parent categories. Jmabel ! talk 22:27, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

I think you are right about what this is supposed to represent, I fully support your suggestion. --rimshot^talk 22:32, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done: deleted and moved subcategories to Category:Chief executive officers from the United States. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 18:20, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Category:Church window railings in Athens

I've moved this to Category:Church window grills in Athens. Is there any reason to keep this redirect? I've never heard these called "window railings" but it might be a local or regional usage I don't know. Jmabel ! talk 02:39, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

We have Category:Window grills, Category:Window railings and Category:Balconets. The cases in the given category I would certainly call "grills", but anything half-height or so, I'd rather call a railing. At which point a railing becomes a balconet is unclear to me. --rimshot^talk 22:45, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done: deleted per nom. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 18:28, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Category:Suhr Brothers

Since 2008 this cat has the usual German name for the artist. Please restore Oursana (talk) 21:33, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Sollte in jedem Fall in "Gebrüder Suhr" zurückbenannt werden. Das ist die übliche Bezeichnung. --Mogelzahn (talk) 17:26, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Dann warum nicht? Peli (talk) 21:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done: per consensus, restored previous category name. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 18:34, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Category:EVM

No parent cats, no members, but it looks like someone was trying to do something here. If you can make clear what you were trying to do, we can presumably fix this, otherwise just delete. Jmabel ! talk 22:36, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: resolved: it has been changed into a disambig category. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 18:36, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Category:Official buildings in Nepal

propose redirect to Category:Government buildings in Nepal unless there is a distinction I'm missing. Jmabel ! talk 23:46, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: redirected per nom. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 18:37, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Category:Sajjala Rama Krishna Reddy

Is there a reason his name is written here as "Rama Krishna" rather than (as in en-wiki) "Ramakrishna"? Jmabel ! talk 03:31, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: redirected per nom. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 18:42, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Category:Елецкая рояльная гармоника

This seems to be an article (with some issues) disguised as a category. Maybe clean up and keep as a gallery page, or move to ru-wiki? Maybe there's an actual category hiding here? Anyway, it currently has no parent categories, two images in the category, and two more images as thumbnails in the article. Jmabel ! talk 05:21, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: deleted per nom. Images were recategorized. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 19:44, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Category:Wiki Loves Women SheSaid In Northern Nigeria 2023

Presumably merge with Category:WikiLoves Women SheSaid in Northern Nigeria 2023 (only difference is capitalization & they seem to refer to the same thing). Jmabel ! talk 00:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: merged the other way to match category tree ("Wiki Loves" should be 2 words). --P 1 9 9  ✉ 19:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Category:Streets in Zhukovsky

I nominate category for discussion: there already is a category called Category:Streets_in_Zhukovskiy (see https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Streets_in_Zhukovskiy). I suggest creating a redirect. ATI1999 (talk) 01:04, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

@ATI1999: You could just create the redirect. What needs to be discussed? -- Auntof6 (talk) 08:14, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

This happen because Wikimedia Commons has city "Zhukovskiy" but Wikidata has "Zhukovsky" Svetlov Artem (talk) 17:09, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Okay, I see, thanks. I created a redirect recently. ATI1999 (talk) 11:21, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: already redirected. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 19:52, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Category:İncüvez Pine Grove Nature Park

Empty. Delete. Qualitätssicherung (talk) 16:51, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done: per nom. --P 1 9 9  ✉ 19:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Category:Ukrainian national government

To avoid confusion, I would suggest renaming this, possibly capitalizing as "Ukrainian National Government" and definitely adding "(1941)". Jmabel ! talk 05:23, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

I support. Adding a year will make searching files more easy (because this government existed only in 1941 and only during 1 or 2 weeks). — صلاح الأوكراني (talk) 14:40, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Stained glass windows Franciscan refectory Katowice Panewniki

all images – copyright violation, living artist: Wiktor Ostrzołek Gower (talk) 21:16, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

 Agree FOP Poland is only for exteriors, not interors, see Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Poland#Freedom of panorama. So if an artist is still alive or not at least 70 years dead, then it is not allowed to publish photos of works of that artist that are inside a building. I think you'd best make a mass request for all the photos via Help:VisualFileChange.js. JopkeB (talk) 14:36, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:10 August 1999 in Paris

I don't think we need a specific date category for Paris, either up-merge to "August 1999 in Paris" or rename to "Paris photographs taken on 1999-08-10" A1Cafel (talk) 03:26, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

I have done the latter and moved all the photographs to it, including the ones under discussion for deletion. Someone Not Awful (talk) 06:41, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

This category discussion has been closed.
Consensus	Resolved by consensus
Actions	delete category
Participants	A1Cafel (talk · contribs) Someone Not Awful (talk · contribs)
Closed by	Auntof6 (talk) 22:25, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Category:Mytella charruana

Per WoRMS (https://www.marinespecies.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=1458663), this is a synonym for Category:Mytella strigata. The second category has just one item. The two categories should be merged and moved to strigata. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 10:51, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

This category discussion has been closed.
Consensus	merge
Actions	merge charruana to strigata -- already  Done
Participants	Chipmunkdavis (talk · contribs)
Closed by	Auntof6 (talk) 22:30, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Category:Ingrid Bergman (1915-1982)

A disambiguation template was added to Category:Ingrid Bergman yesterday — and all media within that category was recategorized — when a category for a second Ingrid Bergman was created. I regard the Swedish actress as the primary topic and hope that category can be reverted to simply "Ingrid Bergman". It'd be a tangle to do, though, and beyond my abilities. WFinch (talk) 13:53, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@WFinch: This has already been taken care of. I deleted the remaining categories with the dates specified, which were either redirects or empty. I added a hatnote to Category:Ingrid Bergman pointing to the other Ingrid. --Auntof6 (talk) 22:41, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Category:Taken in a Cesena 176 RG

I'm guessing "Cesena" in the category name is supposed to be "Cessna", but I have no idea what a Cessna 176 RG would be. This needs appropriate parent categories. Please: when creating categories, add appropriate parent categories! It is much easier for you to add parent categories about a subject you know than for some random person to work it out later. Jmabel ! talk 04:03, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Missed the typo's yes please change it and list as 177, not 176 and add parent if you like. I do not see any cessna 177's on the site so perhaps just cessna as parent cat? --Don (talk) 18:36, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Should be all set Don (talk) 19:06, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@WPPilot: OK, so this is a "Cessna 177". Currently Category:Cessna 177 is a redirect to Category:Cessna 177 Cardinal. Is that correct (two names for the same thing?) Or should Category:Cessna 177 Cardinal be a subcat of Category:Cessna 177 and the "RG" is at the same level as "Cardinal"? Also, how does this relate to Category:Reims F177RG, which is a subcat of Category:Cessna 177 Cardinal? Is this the same thing as that, or is this something different? - Jmabel ! talk 19:12, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Reims Aviation Industries was a French aircraft manufacturer located in the city of Reims, France. The company was most recently producing the F406 Caravan II1. In 1960, a cooperative agreement was signed with Cessna to produce light aircraft for the European market. The company was officially born as Reims Aviation in 1962, mainly producing the FR172 Reims Rocket, a more powerful version of the Cessna 1721. In 1989, Reims Aviation bought back all the shares held by Cessna and became a private French aircraft manufacturer. Production of the single-engined airplanes was halted, and only the F406 remained in production1. The company entered receivership on September 10, 2013. Don (talk) 21:20, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

The real name is Cessna 177 Cardinal, many pilots call it a 177 RG (for retractable gear). Don (talk) 21:25, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@WPPilot: Meanwhile, you moved the images from this category to Category:Taken in a Cessna Cardinal, still without adding parent categories! No strong objection to the category name (though why leave out "177" if it's how we otherwise are referring to this plane?), and I presume Category:Taken in a Cesena 176 RG should now just be deleted, but please use appropriate parent categories when you make a category. (I've now done that for you.) That's what got me here in the first place. - Jmabel ! talk 21:47, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

This category discussion has been closed.
Consensus	Resolved by consensus
Actions	move content to correctly-named category and delete this one -- already  Done
Participants	Jmabel (talk · contribs) WPPilot (talk · contribs)
Closed by	Auntof6 (talk) 22:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Category:Videos of homosexual cunnilingus

Pornography 103.75.21.254 12:32, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

 Speedy keep Commons:Not censored applies to the category. Admins may wish to consider material within the category as a separate issue. We are not concerned with offending people's sensibilities; we are concerned with creating a media repository of material that is lawful to hold (copyright etc) which is in scope for Commons 🇺🇦 Timtrent 🇺🇦 talk to me 🇺🇦 13:20, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:April 2008 in Faenza

I don't see any other "by month" categories for Faenza, and this one isn't hooked into the category tree at all. Unless someone is actually interested in sorting out a lot of Faenza photographs by month, I suggest we just delete this cat, and if anything here doesn't already have a more specific category that is subordinate to Category:Faenza, use Category:Faenza instead. Jmabel ! talk 00:12, 24 December 2023 (UTC)