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Clarification needed: Use of user talk: pages whilst blocked?

This at User_talk:Dronebogus#You_have_been_blocked_for_a_duration_of_1_week_2 seems to be a really startling interpretation of talk: page access policy for blocked editors.

Finally, because you are only allowed to edit your talk page to request an unblock, which you already did, you should not respond any further comments or talk page access will certainly be revoked.

I've never seen this before. I've never seen it cited, I've never seen it implemented. WTF ? Even to the extent of this.

Is this a real policy? Where is it stated? I don't see Commons:Blocking_policy#Appealing_a_block as supporting this interpretation.

@Bedivere: @Dronebogus: , @HingWahStreet: Andy Dingley (talk) 14:26, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

It seems to depend on whether the talk page usage qualifies as "abuse". AFAIK, there is no guidance indicating that anything other than requesting an unblock constitutes abuse. GMG^talk 14:56, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Re. "to the extent of this" - I don't see how that's related. The edit being reverted was by HingWahStreet, not Dronebogus. I agree that it's inappropriate for another user to configure archiving for an active user's talk page. Omphalographer (talk) 18:10, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

I don't see anything here that gets into the range of being a problem, but if it were to continue at this pace for several more days, that might be an issue. - Jmabel ! talk 19:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

• I would disagree that it's inappropriate for another user to configure archiving for an active user's talk page. Archiving is a PITA. It's often tricky to set up, in particular because most editors need to do it so rarely. For an editor to see a page that clearly needs it, to do the necessary, and especially when they label that clearly as 'Here's a default setup for you, do what you want with it, including reverting it' I would see that as absolutely a helpful and good faith action from one editor to another, and in this case evidently welcomed.

In today's missing the point special, this post here is nothing to with archiving, or even with HingWahStreet. (I pinged them only out of courtesy). This is about Bedivere making up policies that no-one has ever seen before, and threatening that talk page access will be revoked without any further option for discussion. (I don't write "will certainly be" if it's just a polite request to not do it again.) We don't have any such policy. It is wrong (but sadly not unheard of) to threaten editors for breaching policies that don't exist. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:45, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

@Bedivere @Omphalographer Sorry for that. I would consult others first before setting it up (I replied to Bedivere here). 〈興華街〉📅❓ 01:27, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

Re-pinging @Andy Dingley and @Andy Dingley to do what @HingWahStreet failed to do at 01:27 in Special:Diff/1046345815/1046354268.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 11:59, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

@Jeff G. Andy Dingley is not the person that I've wanted to ping. I've pinged the wrong person, so I've changed to the right ones. 〈興華街〉📅❓ 03:20, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Quoting from Template:unblock: Please note that trolling or otherwise abusing your ability to edit your talk page will result in that ability being revoked. Counterfeit Purses (talk) 21:02, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

We all knew that. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:39, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

• I view the threat to revoke TPA in the context the comment immediately above it, Dronebogus saying "I didn’t know pings worked while blocked, that’s interesting". If they abuse that functionality to troll, revoking TPA is clearly within policy. If they don't, it isn't. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 22:13, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

  Exactly. The word choice may not have been the best but that's exactly what I meant. And the blocking policy allows for interpretation on what is meant to be an abuse of talk page edit access. Using a talk page to ping users to start conversations while blocked is not OK imo (they did do that by pinging me, by the way). Moreover, my final comment on Dronebogus' talk page is a friendly one, urging them to just take some days off while blocked. Bedivere (talk) 00:29, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

  This is what the case of Shāntián Tàiláng actually did: blocked in wikt, pinging others cross-wiki in its talk page asking for edits in wikt, and led to a global ban. But not responding to any comment is somehow impolite, I think. 〈興華街〉📅❓ 01:15, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

  It is expected that If someone leaves a note while you are blocked for more than about 3 days, you do respond while blocked if you have TPA, some indefed users use their talk to handle copyright questions or other matters. the big difference is the only threads that should be started by the blocked user are unblock appeals and maybe statements to be transcluded onto a noticeboard discussion. All the Best -- Chuck ^Talk 07:00, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Edit war

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Motd/2025-06-21&action=history

I put up a VOA Chinese video on the topic of world refugee day (20 june) as Template:Motd/2025-06-21 and restored it once. User:Prototyperspective has now removed it twice. I expect the motd be restored. RoyZuo (talk) 21:15, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

I added English subtitles to the video, so there shouldn't be any problems with it anymore. Tvpuppy (talk) 00:14, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, this can simply be done before the video is added to the very frontpage where at least most users don't understand Chinese. Totally inappropriate to create an AN thread about this and also totally inappropriate to insist a video in Chinese added unilaterally by one users belongs in the motd. Please don't do this again RoyZuo, especially in times when adding subtitles is easy and you're the only user who added this video. Prototyperspective (talk) 11:20, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

This is not the 1st time this user not acting respectfully to a certain language or according to Commons:Language policy. i dont think it's even necessary to have a policy to emphasise basic courtesy, which any user should have, to treat all languages equally. even after this issue has been brought to this page, where is the understanding "Wikimedia Commons is a multilingual project" this user should have? and the motd is still not restored. RoyZuo (talk) 16:07, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

I'm not acting unrespectfully even in the slightest. MOTD was not conceptualized as a way for individual users just dumping random videos they personally find interesting. The current process is to remove videos others freely add if they don't belong there and thereby have collaborative process and some baseline minimum level or quality/relevance.

• A video in Chinese without subtitles that >91% of users don't understand that depends on the audio language being understood does not belong there. I do care about quality and this platform not being degraded to boring or uneducational videos on the frontpage/first impression. Btw, the user still adds videos to MOTD without adding captions.
• You're acting unrespectfully by claiming various things, assuming various things, immediately coming to this place to complain, and by just strongly insisting your unexplained inappropriate personally-selected video that is ununderstable to most people and takes away the option to make it MOTD after has subtitles belongs on the very frontpage. Stop it please.

Prototyperspective (talk) 12:18, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Commons is a global project. I think you are being disrespectful, and I don't think any of your arguments are valid. You seem to be creating quite a bit of conflict, unnecessarily. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 12:21, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Agree. Where exactly did I act unrespectfully? I didn't. And I outlined ways that RoyZuo was but am not here to complain about it. Commons is a global project exactly. Prototyperspective (talk) 12:23, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

And your decision got reverted. Face it, your arguments don't stack up. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 12:26, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

By the same user. They stack up. a) I care about quality and this platform in practice not in theory in some abstract ways b) what even makes you think just saying 'I don't think your arguments stack up' or 'in my view those points are invalid' have any merit – you did not address what I said even just slightly. Prototyperspective (talk) 12:34, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

It's got subtitles. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 12:51, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Yes, now. And now I'm totally fine it with being motd. Prototyperspective (talk) 12:52, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

I reverted to the original. There is no reason not to have videos in any language. And IMO this is more interesting than a video of Wikipedia articles. Yann (talk) 16:41, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

I agree, video of Wikipedia article is the most uninteresting choice. Taivo (talk) 21:41, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

@Taivo: This seems to mean the opposite of what I say. Yann (talk) 13:22, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

Thirded. While the other video (File:6.7 protected pages.webm) isn't without value, it's primarily of interest to Wikimedia editors. POTD and MOTD are essentially a form of outreach to visitors to demonstrate the value of Commons; files selected for these placements should ideally be of general interest. Omphalographer (talk) 04:44, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Noting here for posterity that I am happy to provide subtitles for any video on commons, Especially for MOTD. Just leave a note on my talk page. (and this whole situation would have been avoided.) All the Best -- Chuck ^Talk 06:27, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

demonstrate the value of Commons; files selected for these placements should ideally be of general interest Agree. (General use/understanding of Wikipedia is of general interest if you were saying it isn't.) Alachuckthebuck, thanks – it's on the person who adds the video to ask that if they don't add the subtitles themselves though and the user could just do that instead of coming here complaining. Btw, if a video is added before subtitles make the video understandable that's just counterproductive to the video since it probably won't be added a second time after the substitles make it actually understandable instead of users closing the video weirded out by the understrandable Chinese audio language. This kind of insisting and rejection of rational debate and consideration of other's points just undermines MOTD. Prototyperspective (talk) 12:21, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

You seem to be the only person making this argument. Consider me the fourth voice that considers the Wikipedia article uninteresting. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 12:30, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

It's not about interesting only but also about quality and educational content. You could add more interesting videos if you think it's boring. It's of global general relevance and interest and of good-quality. Prototyperspective (talk) 12:35, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

The video you reverted out is both of those things. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 12:52, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Only after got subtitles, particularly either subtitles for a language a large share of Commons visitors understand or subtitles for many languages. Prototyperspective (talk) 12:53, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

(referring to global general relevance and interest). What one can do is to add subtitles, for example by using the guide I created which usually allows doing that in 1 minute or less, or asking somewhere about subtitles being added (if not redubs of the video which if linked in the file caption could be as good if not better). Prototyperspective (talk) 13:28, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

Edit war for C.S.D Copyright Violation

@Sławosz Uznański-Wiśniewski resists a C.S.D copyright violation banner by repeatedly reverting changes.

Please see: File:Wargo.jpg, Thank you!

Sev6nWiki (talk) 18:24, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

 Done Indeffed as vandalism-only account. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 18:33, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

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Request to delete redirect

Hello. Requesting admin to delete Category:Aspiras-Palispis Highway, so that Category:Aspiras–Palispis Highway can be moved into that category title (reason: Commons:Village pump/Archive/2024/10#Dashes in category names, with more support for using hyphens in most cases, except usages in date ranges). JWilz12345 (Talk|Contributions) 04:34, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

 Done Abzeronow (talk) 04:41, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

Thanks!

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JWilz12345 (Talk|Contributions) 05:46, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

Category:Sadzhivka

Hi. You need to rename Category:Sadzhivka, Monastyryska Hromada to Category:Sadzhivka, because after renaming the settlements, there is only one village with this name left. Thank you! Maks (talk) 15:19, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

 Done Ymblanter (talk) 18:22, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

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Quick question

Hi former colleagues! :) Can I have the bot flag for my bot HiW-Bot back, or do I need to go through the whole procedure again? Krd removed the flag two years ago, due to my inactivity. Thanks! --Hedwig in Washington ^(mail?) 22:35, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

@Krd and EugeneZelenko: : Can you please look into this? Looks like you two are the main folks at COM:BRFA. I can't find anything on COM:BOTS or BRFA to answer this question myself. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 06:59, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

I think this will depend of tasks. For example, most recent changes were adding {{Taken with Canon EOS 1300D}}, but these days such information is added to Structured Data. EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:40, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

OK, I'll do a new request. Thanks! --Hedwig in Washington ^(mail?) 04:44, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

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Dreameye10

This user has been a cross-wiki promotion-only account, and I have encountered behavior here on Commons similar to that which got them blocked on ENWP. So, could you please block them here as well? P.S. I even requested a global lock on Meta. Faster than Thunder (talk) 22:36, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

 Done Clearly NOTHERE. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 01:09, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

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User:Crabinovich and User:EgertonHistory - fake AI images and hoaxing

• Crabinovich (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
• EgertonHistory (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)

These are almost certainly the same user. Most if not all of both user's uploads - certainly the "historical" paintings and similar - are AI generated and are being used for hoaxing purposes at enwiki and huwiki.

Examples

• File:The Legacy Preserved EarlOfEllesmere Francis Egerton the Admiral Vaclav Egert.png (Crabinovich)
• File:Admiral_Hon._Francis_Egerton_&_Son.png (EgertonHistory)

Enwiki administrator's noticeboard link - here.

Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 07:47, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi, A request for check user would be useful. Yann (talk) 13:19, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

@Yann: I can do one if necessary, but the contributions for the accounts do not overlap, so the original account (EgertonHistory) could simply have forgotten their password. Black Kite (talk) 13:26, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

still a sock Trade (talk) 13:28, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

Checkusers are able to analyze more than the edits, and then block users based on this information. I can't. Yann (talk) 13:34, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

I think the point is not so much socking and overlap of the users, but the fact that all (?) of their contributions whereas claim to be scans of genuine paintings / photos are in fact AI generated and are at best out of scope, at worst vandalism. It looks likely to me, and I am prepared to mass-delete the contributions of these two users (and block them afterwards), but I do not have enough experience with AI generated content and would welcome opinions on whether it is AI generated. Ymblanter (talk) 13:58, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

Dealt with by User:The Squirrel Conspiracy. Thanks all. Black Kite (talk) 15:36, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

Confirmed by the way. No sleepers on this project, but it looks like there's a new sock on English Wikipedia. I don't have the tools on that site though. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk)

@Black Kite Both accounts are globally blocked. 〈興華街〉📅❓ 05:37, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

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Help needed from German speaking admin

Please help with Template talk:NoUploads/i18n/de edit request. Jarekt (talk) 14:25, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

 Doing… --Krd 14:31, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

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