File:Leon trotsky.jpg

no indication of pre-1946 publication required to be PD in Russia + US PlanespotterA320 (talk) 21:29, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

 Keep This was a 2002 upload to enWP, and transferred here in 2005. It was published under a Soviet PD licence and valid at the time "According to the non-retroactive copyright laws of the Union of the Soviet Socialist Republics, all works published before May 27, 1973 are public domain. This applies worldwide."

It looks to be a 1910s-20s image and in a pictorial style for a published image, not some other usage. Author unknown. There is no indication that it was not published either, and has some moire elements in the image. I think that trying to apply a 2020 requirement on a 2002 upload without evidence to the contrary is a ridiculous bar to try and jump. It had the elements to keep and had a source, and the precautionary principle should not be applied like this without contrary evidence or research.  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:19, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

PD-Soviet licence no longer applies, that has been an official ruling. Saying it looks like it was published is not enough. WHERE was it published? WHEN? Right now, there is NOT enough information to beleive it is currently public domain in Russia, or that it was ever PD on the URAA date.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 15:06, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Also, the image is certainly not as grainy as publications from the 1940's and earlier. Could easily be from late 20th century publication. But without knowing it's original publication, we cannot judge.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 15:09, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Kept: per disc. --Indeedous (talk) 13:48, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

File:Leon trotsky.jpg

Like I pointed out before, there is NO evidence of early enough PUBLICATION for this item to be PD in Russia (or for the PD-Russia-1996 template to apply), and it is NOT disputed that the PD-Soviet tag invoked during the discussion as sole reason for "keep" is currently invalid. NO legal argument to support PD status of this item, closing admin has history of warnings about incorrect closures. PlanespotterA320 (talk) 00:36, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

• Keep. If it was not published in Russia, then it simply means that for the policy of Commons it is not a Russian photograph and Russian copyright is not an obstacle for hosting it on Commons. -- Asclepias (talk) 16:39, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

  • @Asclepias: Nope - read the PD-Russia template - PD status is dependent on a photo being published early enough (unlike Italy, Finland, China, etc where PD status is dependent on creation date instead of publication date). It is NOT a standard operating procedure on Commons to assume that a photo was published before the cutoff date in a certain country just because it was created before the cutoff date and/or the Commons standards are frequently broken (which unfortunatly they are). There is a strong precedent for deleting photos using the PD-Russia tag lacking the required publication information - for examples of just a few of the latest cases, see the following cases all closed as delete by well-respected and knowledgeble admins in line with Commons policy - Commons:Deletion requests/File:Pyotr Mikhaylovich Petrov.jpg, Commons:Deletion requests/File:Nikolay Vladimirovich Kuibyshev.jpg, Commons:Deletion requests/File:Pirogov GS.jpg, Commons:Deletion requests/File:Pirogov MS.jpg, Commons:Deletion requests/File:17th Congress AUCP-3.jpg, etc. If you want to see a list of the thousands and thousands of photos deleted for the same reason, I will make a list in a user sandbox page. Unfortunatly the PD-Russia section has long been allowed to go unchecked for the publication information required by Commons, and some admins have even let rule breakers get away with their rule-breaking, but that does not mean that there is actually a rule exempting Russian photos have needing sufficient publication information nor should there be.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 16:46, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Please pause and please read my comment. What I wrote, not what someone else might write somewhere else. If the photo was not published in Russia, the template PD-Russia is irrelevant. It cannot be invoked as an objection to hosting the photo on Commons. The photo may be considered published in France (PD-anon-70-EU + PD-US-expired) or in the United States (PD-US-expired), depending on the definition of published. -- Asclepias (talk) 18:01, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

OK - then there must be evidence that the photo complies with the conditions for one of those tags, ie, a clear source of early enough publication of the photo in the US in order for it to be PD in the US.--PlanespotterA320 (talk)

The photo is from the French passeport of L. Trotsky (1917). Accipiter Gentilis Q. (talk) 09:33, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Kept: per discussion as not published in Russia. --rubin16 (talk) 12:15, 14 June 2021 (UTC)